okay I stumbled across something .. the network install .. used netplan
to set-up my wifi connection to start on boot .. so as soon as systemd
networkd starts wifi is started  NetworkManager thus has no access or
anyway to try for other networks.. so I tried to change this.. If I edit
the config files to give exclusive control to NetworkManager ..run
netplan apply as long as I don't reboot I can use NetworkManager as per
normal

As soon as I try to reboot back into the install (via and foreign grub
as defined above) I get exactly the same crash pattern as before .. so
the deduction is that

netplan configuration problems are causing the plymouth/xorg issues when
you use only NetworkManager as a renderer .. so I am altering the title
here again

** Summary changed:

- lightdm login screen briefly appears and then blanks out on Intel(R) 
Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T5870 (crash in xorg before using "foreign grub")
+ lightdm login screen briefly appears and then blanks out on Intel(R) 
Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T5870 (crash in xorg before using "foreign grub") netplan 
mis-configuration maybe underlying cause.

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  lightdm login screen briefly appears and then blanks out on Intel(R)
  Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T5870 (crash in xorg before using "foreign grub")
  netplan mis-configuration maybe underlying cause.

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