status rejected

Hi,

Japs [2006-09-06 13:33 -0000]:
>     While trying to find out how to make it possible for any user to r/w 
> an ext3 partition i found out that you could manage the permissions of a 
> file system from its mount point's permissions.

Or, in general, with setting the mode bits on files and directories
with chmod/chown, or the graphical tools on top of it.

>     Talking about this in #Ubuntu chatroom, some users agreed that this 
> was a weird way to manage the access to a filesystem. 

It is not weird at all, that's how Unix file systems are designed to
work.

> We agreed that it would be much better to set up all permissions
> from  the fstab rather than from the mount point directory. 

Unix file systems are designed for protecting multiple user's files
from each other. The old Windows file systems (FAT16 and FAT32) were
not, they did not have the concept of owners and permissions. That's
why you have to select a global mode for FAT, but not for ext3.

> Standardizing the behaviour of file systems would make our lives 
> easier, don't you think?

Demanding to drop the concept of permissions just to make a particular
use case easier does not work. It would mean to totally give up the
concept of multiple users on a machine and bring us back to the dark
age of 'everything runs as and works as Administrator'.

I think you are tackling this from the wrong side: If you do not want
permissions and owners on a removable device, why do you use an Unix
file system at all? You should format them as VFAT, which makes them
nicely compatible with the Windows world, too, and does exactly what
you want. That's also how most drives are preformatted these days.

Thanks,

Martin

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ext3 file system handling awkward
https://launchpad.net/bugs/59027

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