@mruffell thanks! Only a few comments below:

> > Note because of this bug, groovy and upstream has now been changed
> > to 10 min timeout, down from 1hr.
>
> We should decide if this is really what we want to do. And if it
> should revert to the longer 1hr timeout, propose that upstream.
>
> I don't really know, is either default timeout better, 10 minutes or
> 1 hour? @nicolasbock did you have specific reasoning for the
> upstream reduction to 10 minutes?

The 10 minutes were a compromise between the default of 5 minutes (for
rabbitmq-server) and what upstream thought was a very long wait of 1
hour.

> If 10 minutes is what we want, then we should be ok upstream and in
> Groovy, and in Focal with the current code in -proposed.

In the context of the issues we are seeing with charms the 10 minute
timeout should be sufficient.

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