Thanks for the feedback Uriel, 
but on the Intel Graphics card, after i copy in that program from here 
(https://askubuntu.com/questions/1032811/ubuntu-18-04-no-hdmi-audio-with-amd-radeon-hd-7870/1207919#1207919)
 and then run $ $HOME/bin/fixHDMIaudio &
It says .....
[1] 1967

Then returns 
"Sink alsa_output.hw__ does not exist.
No sink found by this name or index."

As you say, a cheap video card might be the solution in the long term
:-)

It's frustrating, but at least i can continue to use LMDE 4 using the
4.18.19 kernel for the minute though

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