I'm not going to pretend I followed your example because you suggested
hardware issues in your example David....I read each and every one of
the posts in this bug report. and in short, the problem can be divided
into exactly 2 groups,, driver issue, and NM. in both cases the result
is the same, no network connection. in some of the cases it looks like
the issue was NM alone, while in other cases it was BOTH the driver and
NM. I guess what I'm irked about is that there seems to be concern for
printer drivers working "out of the box" but we can't get the same
attention to network connectivity. I think this issue is a show stopper.
If I have to expose my wireless network to the bad guys, then I should
probably look for another distro.

I'm irked that I have put lots of effort into testing for the last 4
years and providing feed back and can't seem to get this BUG addressed,
its like its just too much of a hassle for the devs. to give any
attention to. I do not see it as different problems. NM is the front end
to other network software and NM brings everything togather to make the
network connection. I don't see it as seperate issues, I see it as
smaller parts of a common software failing for different reasons. I love
the distro, but this is a clear lack of concern for the users for far
too long.

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