Hello Øivind! On 3/9/06, Øivind Hoel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 3/9/06, Sandis Neilands <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello again! > > > > On 3/9/06, Christian Bjälevik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > If you are chasing space on panel, try removing that > > > > useless logout icon, which is fairly well accesible from menu, doesn't > > > > indicate any state (or anything at all) and takes the most valuable > > > > space on panel (for right handed users) while being used twice a day > > > > (or less). > > > I like it there. It saves me to use the menu when I want to log out > > > using my mouse. I use the keyboard most of times though :-P. > > > > Hmmm, if our likes or dislikes are our only arguments for or against > > things, then we can quickly get into trouble. For now, I haven't seen > > any valid (technical, usability, etc) reason for that icon being in > > that place. > > Indeed. However, the standard thing for all portable devices I've ever > come across is to always display the battery status, no matter if it's > fully loaded, charging, discharging or plain empty. > > As already mentioned, screen real-estate is a non-issue (atleast on a > modern laptop with >= 1024x768 resolution, which as far as I know > something you'll need to run gnome 2.14). > > The disappearance of the icon is confusing, and only people who *know* > the fact that the icon is set to disappear when the battery is full > and on AC will understand that this effectively means their laptop is > ready to hit the highway. > > Other people will start wondering if something is wrong. Maybe their > laptop is malfunctioning and needs a reboot?
Good points and I agree with you on this issue. However when I wrote that paragraph I had a log out icon in the corner in mind. > > > > > > I find this kind of decision making disturbing. Major change should be > > > > discussed on -devel or -desktop BEFORE applied, not the other way > > > > around. Another good example for behind-the-curtains decision is GDM > > > > login screen and options menu. > > > From what I've seen not many people answer on those querys, when they > > > are made. > > > > No, wrong. Look at the recent "Firefox and the `you have chosen to > > open ...' dialogue" thread in devel and desktop lists. However if > > nobody answers, you can assume that nobody cares that much and do as > > you will. But at least you would have been asked. > > > > >For the logout-button I think it's an sabdfl decision (corrent > > > me if I'm wrong please) but it's often easiest to make a change and see > > > how the community like it. They will complain if they don't ;-). > > > > Well, I'm part of the comunity and I hate it (the icon in the corner, > > not Mark :) > > As far as the top right logout icon, I rather thought that change was > a sensible one. It's far easier to log out via that than the menu. Of > course, now that we have g-p-m, my main use of the logout icon can > simply be replaced by "close laptop lid", but at the time of writing, > not every laptop user out there is as lucky as me when it comes to > suspend++ support. Hey, but how about those ~80% users (made this up in my mind) with desktop PCs'? It's nice that ubuntu cares about laptop owners, but for desktop users this icon is useless. > And since sabdfl is wikipedia's main benevolent dictator for life > example, I think you all have to live with it there, at least for > dapper, anyway. No, i will remove it (of course if menu item won't be ripped off). -- Sandis
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