On Mon, 2007-11-19 at 12:45 -0800, Corey Burger wrote: > On Nov 19, 2007 8:54 AM, Sebastien Bacher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Le jeudi 27 septembre 2007 à 23:14 -0300, Evandro Fernandes Giovanini a > > écrit : > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > "System Tools" is a standard category of the XDG spec that is not used > > > in a default Ubuntu desktop. Applications that usually go in that > > > category have been moved to other places, such as "Accessories" or > > > "Administration", or simply hidden by default. > > > > > > Looking at Gutsy, I think the Accessories menu is too crowded with > > > applications that don't belong there (Bluetooth Analyzer, Disk Usage > > > Analyzer, Terminal). Another problem with Ubuntu ignoring the XDG spec > > > is that third party applications might install an entry in that > > > category, so the user will end up with the extra category anyway. > > > > > > I'd like to suggest that Ubuntu reconsiders this change and reverts back > > > to upstream behaviour. > > > > hi, > > > > That's something which has been discussed already and there is no easy > > way to make the menus easier to browse. Using the System Tools is one > > option, what people subscribed to the list thing about this change? > > Bluetooth analyzer can be hidden, as I believe it merely allows users > to look at the bluetooth messages floating around. With that gone, the > next big target is the Tracker search thing. I think we should replace > the Search for Files at the bottom of the places menu with the Tracker > Tool (yes, I realize this would create an Ubuntu specific patch. We > can push it upstream or at least start a discussion about it upstream. > Ideally we want a single search UI driving into either Beagle or > Tracker, depending on the distro/user). I also vote we hide "Manage > Print Jobs" or move it to the Administration menu.
This does nothing to solve the problem that many third party applications place things in System Tools; a (power) user may want to unhide something (Like GConf editor for me) that ships as hidden. When this happens you wind up with a rather scrawny unappealing System Tools menu with one or two items in it, which is much worse. While I agree that Ubuntu should look nice "out of the box", it should continue to stay that way throughout its use, not degenerate as some other OSs might. Another solution may be to patch Gnome panel so that everything that would appear under Applications --> System Tools would instead show up under System --> Administration, but that may not be an appealing solution to some as it would still involve diverging from upstream, but it would be an easier solution in the long run that hacking every other package that violates the convention, and still falling down when a 3rd party app comes along. > > Corey >
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