On 2011-07-05 05:31, Robert Ancell wrote: > On 04/07/11 21:00, Gunnar Hjalmarsson wrote: >> I take it that you would like to see a solid base for decision that we >> do not have access to. Given that, to me the natural conclusion is that >> Ubuntu keeps providing the feature for now. > For a feature to exist, it needs a justification. I see no reason why > the result of this discussion cannot produce one if it exists. If there > is no justification, then we should not continue a feature.
Both pros and cons have been mentioned in this thread. Some of the cons have been conditioned by alternative features that are not ready yet. I think that the pros is enough of a justification to keep providing the feature in Oneiric. In addition to that, the fact that this discussion started is a good reason IMO to consider the matter further during UDS-P. In a thread like this, people tend to forget that there is more into handling languages than picking a locale; see my reply to Martin's message. > Also, please note that the decision to include or not include a language > selector in Ubuntu does not necessarily reflect the design of LightDM or > any other greeters that may be developed for it. That's true. It would make sense that upstream LightDM and Ubuntu differ in this respect. But if the design of upstream LightDM does not include a language chooser, it's highly desirable that the preparations for such a thing, that it currently is shipped with, are kept for now, so it's easy for e.g. Ubuntu to patch a chooser. >>> There are disadvantages to keeping this feature: >>> - This feature is quite complex to support. >> How? Once in place, I fail to see that complexity. Ok, since I worked >> with the current Natty solution, I'm about as biased as anyone can be... > This feature involves setting a number of environment variables, which > may be overridden by login scripts. It needs to be synchronised with > the session. Implementing a feature is only one part of the work, > keeping it working in the future when other parts of the code change is > not free. Ok, that's true, even if I have a feeling that you to some extent think of code that is there for other reasons than the language chooser on the login screen. And a better organized code would make it easier to support. > Think of how you would answer this question from a user: > "How do I change my language?" > Would the answer be - from the login screen or from the control center. > But if you want to change the number format, then only in the control > center. > Or should you say - from the control center, where all the other > settings are. I would say that the principal tool for i18n related settings is the one that you access from the Control Center, and that there is a supplemental tool on the login screen for setting the user language only. Just as I do in language-selector's help document. -- Gunnar Hjalmarsson https://launchpad.net/~gunnarhj -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list [email protected] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
