On 26/01/12 18:24, Micah Gersten wrote:
On 01/26/2012 11:55 AM, Jorge O. Castro wrote:
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Micah Gersten<[email protected]> wrote:
Because novices are using a power user tool does not mean we should
remove a power user tool. I think attention just needs to be called to
the problems that can be caused and what better tools exist for novice
users. Places like askubuntu.com and the Ubuntu forums would be good
places to evangelize this as well as omgbuntu and maybe webupd8.
We have a power user tool, MyUnity. If it doesn't do exactly what
people want then people will file bugs and then people will either
write the config option or not.
Then we'll have a power user tool that will work. And we do try to
warn people about the dangers of CCSM, but this is one of those cases
where we need to say "Sorry, you can't switch to the cube" instead of
"well you can switch to the cube, but if you fail the saving throw
your desktop turns into a wallpaper with no panels, no launcher, and
no file manager and removing these dot directories, but hey, linux is
about choice!"
You're missing a key point here that Compiz and CCSM are not Unity. If
you want to make it so CCSM doesn't work with Unity, that's fine, but
don't hijack the Compiz configuration for non-Unity users.
Micah
Hi,
Personally, I'm in favour of removing this. I was surprised at the
number of people I met in Orlando who had hosed their Unity session
after running CCSM. If developers attending UDS are doing this and
finding it difficult to recover from, then I'd hate to think what sort
of experience ordinary users are having with it, and what this is doing
for our reputation.
As others have pointed out, there are some useful settings that would be
good to have in other configuration panels. The zoom settings being a
perfect example - in fact, I can't believe we are asking visually
impaired users to use CCSM to enable functionality like this. Aside from
the fact that this tool is dangerous, the UI is terrible.
Gconf-editor exists for people who really want to mess around with
advanced settings in compiz. CCSM is pretty much just a dump of
everything you can tweak in gconf already (but with some icons and
sliders), which means that it isn't really any better from a UI
perspective. However, it's more difficult to hose your compiz
configuration in gconf-editor (enabling/disabling plugins requires you
to edit a list rather than clicking a checkbox, and there is no obvious
way to do silly things like changing the configuration backend).
AFAICT, we don't provide UI's that expose every hidden preference for
any other piece of software (we expect that people will use
gconf-editor/dconf-editor or whatever for tweaking advanced settings),
so I don't see why compiz should be all that different really.
And I don't think power users will really miss something like CCSM.
Power users will just use the same tools that they have always used to
tweak advanced settings in other applications. CCSM isn't a power user
tool, but a loaded gun packaged in to a graphical UI that gives novice
users a false sense of security.
Regards
Chris
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