Le 19/10/2012 10:51, Matthew Paul Thomas a écrit :
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Hi Didier
Hey Matthew,
Naming this proposal "a smart ubuntu desktop" is poisoning the well.
It implies that rejecting the proposal would necessarily be dumb. The
name also would be unclear to someone looking at a UDS schedule.
Instead I suggest calling it something descriptive, like "Fewer
default apps, on-demand installs".
noted, however, I want also to emphasize that the proposal will enable
to have a first setup more adapted to our users, as it will ease the
integration with webapps, so the title you proposed don't cover that.
Any other idea?
Didier Roche wrote on 18/10/12 10:10:
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In a world where we are using more and more connected web services
doing some of our tasks (web mails, online documentation editing,
online music players…) should we imagine having a more adapated
image to our users? This will mean reducing our main image
footprint by removing some of those tools we install by default:
I'm thinking of thunderbird, libreoffice, rhythmbox and other main
applications of our desktop for instance.
The counter-part would be to make our desktop smarter. I can
imagine: - having the messaging menu (or an icon in the launcher,
or an icon in the dash) showing, the first time you try to
configure your email account, a window asking for your email
In 12.10, to reduce clutter in the menu bar, the messaging menu is
hidden by default. It appears only once you have set up an account in
a messaging application. Personally, I think that is smarter.
Do you think showing the messaging menu by default would be a
reasonable price to pay for the reduced image footprint from not
installing Thunderbird by default?
This is a possibility, another one is that when you type "mail, email…"
in the dash, you have this tool asking for your email address appearing
there.
- based on the answer, either proposing to directly use a web
application (with unity integration) for an @gmail.com,
@yahoo.com… and other email providers known to have good web
integrations. Otherwise, proposing to install thunderbird, ideally
opening the account creating setup prefiled with the information
already be done. (we can of course imagine a checkbox to override
the "smart" behavior).
What would the checkbox do?
Telling something like "I want a local client" to override the use of
webapps and download thunderbird, even if you have a gmail/yahoo as you
email address provider.
This is just a field example, we can expand to document editing,
and a lot of other areas.
The proposal might be clearer if you gave more than one specific
example. There is no document-editing equivalent to the messaging menu.
I'll try to work on some proposal for UDS with document editing.
There is already some integration of this for other parts of the
stack (like double clicking on an odt when you don't have
libreoffice installed), we can make sure all our desktop have this
kind of tweaks, and try to make a sharper, more adaptive image to
our finale users, without having lots of post-install applications
to remove.
...
I'd like productivity applications in Ubuntu Software Center to have
metadata for the kinds of documents they can handle. Then if you tried
to open a document that you didn't have an application for, USC could
show you appropriate applications to choose from.
yeah, we already have some of this in GNOME, so I think it worth to see
how we can have this packagekit metadata flowing through the Ubuntu
Software Center.
Thanks,
Didier
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