On Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 01:13:41AM +0200, Henrik Nilsen Omma wrote: > Jordan Mantha wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>Please don't interpret it that way :) As I replied to Scott, if the bug > >>is not handled by someone who can upload to Ubuntu then it's fair to say > >>that nobody is working on a fix in Ubuntu. > >> > > > >This is just not true. In Universe we have a great number of people working > >on bugs that are not able to upload. These people use status, > >subscriptions, and assignments to get their work sponsored. Even in Main > >there are quite a number of people who aren't in ubuntu-dev that work on > >bugs. Your statement is only true in the sense that a developer must touch > >it at some point to upload the fix, but the work is often enough not done > >by the developer. > > > Right, and that's the only sense in which I intended it (though I can > see I have been too terse). We are trying to make a 1-dimesional setting > field fit a range of situations here. A bug tracker that is used by many > projects of different sizes will never fit everyone perfectly, but that > common bug tracker also has its advantages. > > If we want a certain group of people who write code but are not MOTU or > core-dev to be able to set the whole range of status settings then we > can set up a team that gives that access. I agree that people can write > valuable code without doing .deb packaging for example.
OK, but it wasn't so much the new status fields that has people concerned as changing who can set the status like: "A developer can: * Move the bug from Triaged to ToDo or push it back to a previous category. " Why should only a person in ubuntu-dev be able to use ToDo? Other people need to be able to set ToDo, In Progress, Fix Commited, and Fix Released. > >Bottom line, people who are assigned to a bug need to be able to modify it. > >If you want to control who can be assign bugs then that's a slightly > >different > >matter, but there *has* to be a workflow that allows for non-developers to > >work on bugs. Anything less would severely affect Universe and probably > >Main as well. > > > We have not made any changes to bug assignment (though I have my own > opinions about that). No, but what is being changed is who can do what. And you previously stated that people shouldn't assign themselves to bugs they aren't going to fix. I think that is very true and perhaps a solution to the current problem is to allow the person who is assigned to a bug to change the status as neccessary because that is the person doing the actual work. > I agree that we should encourage more people to work on bug fixes. If > this change makes that more difficult then we need to find solutions to > that. Well, I think Scott's point is that if the people affected by such a change were consulted earlier on then maybe a better solution would have been found in the first place. A UDS BOF is no where near enough input on essential workflow/permission changes. Perhaps this is all a lot of misunderstanding and a big deal over nothing, but sudden changes to one of the most important workflows we have maybe need more warning/discussion in the future. -Jordan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list [email protected] Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
