Just observing that ubuntu itself is a downstream of debian's unstable branch.
So in a way we already are on the "cutting edge" as it were, so it would seem. On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 10:38 AM, John Moser <[email protected]> wrote: > On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Patrick Goetz <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Subject: Re: Supporting a GNU Hurd port? > >> From: Scott James Remnant <[email protected]> > >> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 17:14:38 +0000 > >> To: Danny Piccirillo <[email protected]> > >> > >> > >> Speaking as the guy who maintains the boot and plumbing layer, I am > >> completely and utterly uninterested in such a port. > >> > > > > My question is why are we even talking about this? The linux kernel is > > by far the most robust, dynamic part of the whole distribution, and it > > should be quite clear that there aren't enough developers to maintain > > even the software that's in the distro now. > > I'm the guy that thought street lamps run on burning gas was a > perfectly workable idea, but using some sort of glowing electric wire > without fire would be even better. > > Would you have rather kept your indoor lighting as kerosene torches on > the wall? At the very least you'd be warmer in the winter.... > > A Ford Shelby V8 still has a live axle in the back. It works, but an > independent rear suspension engineered properly (the one in the Cobra > 03/04 was crap, the LSD was done wrong, and it got horrible wheel hop; > it was basically a FWD non-diff suspension for a 200ftlb car shoved > into a RWD car with a rear diff getting 400ftlb torque) would be much, > much better and the car would be able to corner VERY hard without > flipping or skidding sideways. > > At some point, all of these things were non-obvious; at some other, > more recent point, they were considered "interesting, but not > important." These days, we're sitting around laughing at Ford because > the Mustang has LOL LIVE AXLE 1920 SUSPENSION.... > > Right now, a microkernel is still between "non-obvious" and > "interesting, but not important;" we haven't quite determined if there > is a real benefit, we'll argue over if there is or isn't, and most > people who decide there is a significant benefit declare that it's > simply not significant enough to matter even though they've never seen > it put into full practice. > > We could be "innovative" or "technological leaders," but that puts us > all at risk of "doing something stupid and having it not work out > quite right." It's more palatable for most people to just sit back, > wait for someone else to do it, and then either watch it collapse or > play catch-up; who the hell wants to take risks on new technology > themselves? Especially if what, maybe we use HURD and find out Minix > was much better and surpassed HURD support-wise; or we use Minix and > find out HURD was just better in a HUGE way. Maybe a third player > will come up and omg, The Perfect Kernel! > > The core of the whole argument is, of course, that some of us see > these things as more interesting than others. Scott simply doesn't > want to do more work -- trust me it's a hell of a lot of work, and > I've already given the best way to attack it ("best" being "mitigates > any extra work in the future"), and that's still a hell of a lot of > work. Others here don't trust the technology, still others are > (mistakenly) convinced it's already been determined that the > technology is a worthless research project with no practical benefit. > > And then there's the crowd that believes this is the future and we > need to get on it RIGHT NOW and doesn't understand the concept of > prioritization. Our pet projects obviously deserve 100% of the > resources, right? Ubuntu should go to Minix right now (I am a Minix > fan), they should implement Linux d-bus and NF_NETLINK and udev stuff > so the boot process is drop-in, they should start porting FreeBSD > driver code to the Minix code base, and not a damn thing else matters. > That makes sense, right? > > No? > > It probably doesn't make sense if you have any freaking clue about how > a large project is run; but why should reality get in the way of your > pet projects? > > -- > Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list > [email protected] > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss >
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