On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 01:27:42PM -0700, Allison Randal wrote: > But, I think the deeper question is whether developers here in Ubuntu, > who would have been looking at the REVU queues, would be willing to > spend that time reviewing the same package proposals for Debian. You > don't have to be a DD or DM to do package reviews in the new > mentors.debian.net. It's beneficial to direct new packages upstream, but > we also need to recognize the workload we're adding to the Debian > volunteers if we send all new package reviews to Debian.
Let me comment that it's great to see people here discuss the practice of getting packages into Debian first, as a mean to have then in Ubuntu. Doing so is indeed the best way to contribute Free Software not only to Debian and Ubuntu, but also to other hundreds of derived distributions out there that benefit from contributions that reach Debian. I also want to AOL the concern mentioned in this thread that packaging is not a one shot activity, rather it is a medium-term commitment in maintaining a package in good shape for the needs of a, or several, distros. AFAICT this is the case both in Ubuntu and Debian, with differences only in how each distro deals with the problem of disappearing maintainers / maintenance team members. This point should be made very clear to any wannabe packager, no matter the distro. Up to now mentoring efforts were put both on the Debian side (via debian-mentors and mentors.d.n) and on the Ubuntu side (via REVU, I believe). The same goes for quality assurance efforts to get rid of neglected packages over time. Shifting reviews and QA to Debian is the right thing to do (for the reasons mentioned above), but should be sustainable. This is even more so because, as I understand, on the Ubuntu side you were already lacking some mentoring power. Merely summing that "negative delta" to the current debian-mentors load risks to be detrimental to all involved distros, if done lightly. I suggest that you work with the people who have been animating over the past few years the debian-mentors community to ensure that mentoring activities are sustainable, no matter the load or the number of derivatives distro that want to participate into it. Many great proposals have been advanced, and partly already implemented, in recent years. They have been discussed at length in at least a couple of DebConf11 events: - http://penta.debconf.org/dc11_schedule/events/777.en.html - http://penta.debconf.org/dc11_schedule/events/781.en.html I'll be happy to put an of you in touch with Debian individuals active on that front. They have way more experience than me on debian-mentors. I'm sure they can provide more concrete suggestions than what I'm doing with this mail. I'd be great to have a single mentoring community for Debian-based distros and it has chances to scale better than several such communities. Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli zack@{upsilon.cc,pps.jussieu.fr,debian.org} . o . Maître de conférences ...... http://upsilon.cc/zack ...... . . o Debian Project Leader ....... @zack on identi.ca ....... o o o « the first rule of tautology club is the first rule of tautology club »
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