Le 05/09/2012 15:30, Scott Kitterman a écrit :
Sebastien Bacher <[email protected]> wrote:
Le 05/09/2012 14:31, Scott Kitterman a écrit :
Why invest any time at all?
Your question is worded in a way which I've an hard time parsing, so I
will try to reply as I understand it, let me know if that's not what
you
mean
"Why do I think people would want to invest any time on Ubuntu then" is
the question?
In which case I would say the OS and the applications are two different
things...
* Building a distribution,platform,desktop environment,OS is hard, it
does require discipline and work from lot of people collaborating, I
don't think you can "lower the standard" for the base of the system.
Why invest any time at all? Different contributors have different
motivations: it's fun, it's interesting work, they like the result,
they
are proud of what they work on, they like the people they are working
with, etc...
* Dealing with applications is another topic, there is no reason we
would need so much coordination, reviews, testing for those. There is
no
reason we need to tight them to our release cycle and freezes. We are
not the ones "owning" those apps, upstream are. Those upstream, for
most, don't ask to be part of our project, many don't even run Ubuntu,
they just want their apps to reach users. That's a different world and
a
different problem space...
Sorry for being unclear.
You seemed to be suggesting that MyApps was a suitable path for a reduced
effort mechanism for getting low quality applications available to users.
My question was if they are so bad, why expend any effort on them at all.
I get the "next month's beer festival app" use case, but that doesn't seem to
be where most of the focus is. Most of the focus seems to be on less ephemeral apps.
AFAICT, these pretty much fall into things that should be in the archive and things of
insufficient quality where it's a positive feature not to deliver them.
I don't agree it's only for low quality apps. More than once, people
asked me to package their apps into ubuntu. This is particularly
annoying when I have no interest at all in the package itself. The last
case is pyromaths, which turned out to be quite popular in schools. It's
definitively a quality apps and I kind of regret to upload it to ubuntu
proper instead of letting them deal with myapps for now as I have to
admit I won't do a good job tracking them.
So it means it's not to packagers to decide of the importance for the
user of a package, and naturally, they would prefer to scratch their own
itch. It also means it's more difficult for the application developer to
get a newer version in, with latency of answering, reaching the right
contact, and so on.
The MyApps story is to avoid those 2 pitfalls to occur:
* having ubuntu developers working on what they want to work on and
focus their effort on that, following the components they selected
closely and be able to help them.
* having application developers being able to have the control where
they should have: their own applications and decide when they update. We
can enable them to update as long as they do no harm to the platform
(like in the file conflict case, and many other use cases requiring
insulation). The ultimate goal is that all the packaging part is
helped/assisted to them: it's not because I want to upload my
application to ubuntu that I have to become a packager and know every
detail of the debian policy. I just want to deliver my application to users.
Didier
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