On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 08:21:36AM +0100, Julien Lavergne wrote: > 2013/2/27 Jonathan Riddell <[email protected]>: > > An event with only a week's notice is pretty useless especially if it > > clashes with significant dates like feature freeze.
> It will be a problem for any community members. How are we suppose to > organize ourself on a so short notice ? I can't take 2 vacation days 1 > week before them. I organized myself to be free on May, not March. UDS > is supposed to be the most important event after release day, a period > when the project (or for example, any derivatives) organize itself. > How are we suppose to organize anything with only 1 week of > preparation ? I think it's important to understand that moving this first virtual UDS up is a response to the fact that, with the strong focus on the phone and tablet for the Canonical team over the next year, engineering planning is *already* happening that would normally be discussed at UDS before implementing. By moving UDS up, something that's obviously only possible to consider with UDS as a virtual event, we're enabling the community to be part of those discussions which otherwise might not happen publically (or at least wouldn't be systematically public and visible). So yeah, it's going to be hard for the community to participate to the same degree on such short notice, and that's not good. But bear in mind that the plan is to have another virtual UDS in three months, around the usual time of year. Even if this UDS winds up being completely dominated by topics driven by Canonical engineering, it's still better for Ubuntu to have those discussions in public instead of in private; and for community members who have been caught off-guard and aren't able to participate this time, they'll still be able to get the videos of the discussions online, and three months from now be in a position to participate on an even footing just like they would have otherwise. I think that makes having this vUDS preferable to the alternative. On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 06:49:14PM +0530, Bhavani Shankar R wrote: > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 6:24 AM, Jonathan Riddell <[email protected]> wrote: > > An event with only a week's notice is pretty useless especially if it > > clashes with significant dates like feature freeze. > +1 here too as it makes planning totally difficult for any contributor > (as gilir said and on a personal note I would take time off during May > and November to plan down on my views that I thought to say during the > uds. > Secondly, The timezone in which this uds is planned for just puts me > virtually out of participation on the sessions I intend to attend as > it will be at the stroke of midnight at the place where I live (and > holds good for most of the eastern parts I guess) and waking up coming > back from work would be difficult. This isn't going to be a perfect, drop-in replacement for our previous approach to UDS; there are certainly some trade-offs. But I'm not convinced that participation from Asia is actually one of them. Setting aside the fact that in this case there's very short notice, why would it be any easier to take off a week, hop on a plane, deal with jet lag and attend UDS in person, than to take off two days, have a couple of late nights, and attend sessions remotely? The latter option scales a lot better, takes /less/ time out of people's lives, and I'm sure it gets a lot fewer people sick with the UbuFlu. > Thirdly, contributors (like myself) can be living in some places where > internet connectivity would be not that great to support HD video > streaming and can cause distortion when trying to speak. I know that Google Hangouts include various "low bandwidth" tweaks. Do you happen to have any experience with these, to know how well they work / what the real minimum bandwidth requirements are for participating? I suspect that, in practice, it's not so different from what's required in order to be able to participate effectively in other aspects of Ubuntu development, but possibly it would be worth testing this before next week. Cheers, -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developer http://www.debian.org/ [email protected] [email protected]
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