Hi, I agree with all of your points. We've talked about them during the fridge code refresh.
The problem I have today: 1) I do not have access to the system level of the fridge. Only Newz has that. 2) Newz is a bottleneck. He has enough work for 3 people (at least) and basically has no time to spend on the Fridge, even though I know he would like to help us out. Thus, any changes to the fridge MUST be done in the Drupal management system that we all have access to. I do not believe we have the capability to do what has been suggested. I have not attempted to gain access to the Fridge system. There is a remote possibility we could do that. Joey On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 1:38 PM, Jordan Mantha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > /me crawls out from under a rock strangely shaped in the form of a > dissertation draft. > > > Joey Stanford wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I'd like to reopen the discussion of the Fridge and News Mailing lists > > now that LP mailing lists are out of beta. > > Please let's get something done here. Having 2 emails for everything is > getting a bit annoying, there are more pressing matters IMO, and I think > it's time we just did something rather than bikeshedding. > > > > To rehash: > > > > 1) We want one list where folks can send news items to that services > > the Fridge, UWN, and other areas (e.g. Full Circle). > > * There's a LP team for this https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-news > > which can have it's own mailing list however only team members can > > post. > > * We had wanted a list where anyone can submit articles. > > Does it really make sense to make it a mailing list? Mailing lists in > general are designed around two-way communication whereas almost all of > the new submission work would be one-way (i.e. submitter files a > submission). Mailing lists are also not the natural form of website > submissions. Generally submissions happen via a form on the site itself. > I can't help but think that we're compensating for a flaw in Fridge's > design/implementation. News and event submissions should be handled via > Fridge and/or other relevant sites. However, there is much to be said > about having a central place for news submissions to go. An article > submitted to Fridge may be more appropriate for UWN or Full Circle. So I > see three practical solutions: > > 1) Have a contact form on Fridge for submissions that then goes into a > queue for editors to look at. Everything is handled entirely within > Fridge. No mailing lists. > > 2) Have a contact form on Fridge (and other news sites) that sends the > submission as an email to an ubuntu-news mailing list. This list is not > open and is just a repository of news submissions. > > 3) Run Fridge digg/slashdot style where people are contributing > content and the editors are just trying to manage the chaos. No mailing > list necessary here. > > The basic requirements I see for "good" solutions: > * The submitter never should have to interact with a mailing list > * Where possible the submitter should interact with Fridge rather than > external resources. The idea being that you should be submitting stuff > where you would be reading it. > * Does not bottleneck the news process. News gets outdated really > quickly (sometimes within hours) so the slowest step should actually be > in the content creation, not the mechanics of getting submitted material > on the site. > > > > 2) I want to shutdown fridge-devel (which is private but I don't > > recognize several of the subscribers) for fridge editor discussions > > and use the LP list (ubuntu-fridge) for all editor discussions. > > ubuntu-fridge discussions can be viewed by the public however posting > > is restricted to team members.. This list is driven by our LP team: > > https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-fridge which will (in 2-3 months) also > > drive ACL access on the fridge itself. So, I'd like to center > > everything around it. It makes administration of our team much easier. > > +1 I think it should be ok for everybody to use, including Vid, which is > important. > > > > I think executing #2 above is dependent upon finding a solution for > > #1. A proposal for #1 was submitted as > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuNews > > I like the goal of the UbuntuNews spec but somehow it just feels like a > workaround for not being able to submit content directly through Fridge > (and other news sites). I feel like a good compromise would be solution > 2) that I outlined above where the ubuntu-new-submissions list (and it > shouldn't be a LP list) would be hijacked to only take content submitted > via Fridge and other news sites. > > Am I being too ambitious here? > > -Jordan > > _______________________________________________ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-fridge > Post to : [email protected] > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/people/+me/+editemails > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > _______________________________________________ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-fridge Post to : [email protected] Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/people/+me/+editemails More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
