Ok. Great. If I can be of any help let me know. Regards,
*Charlie* On 27 July 2015 at 16:20, Patrik Bubák <[email protected]> wrote: > Not yet Charlie. The aim was to add the logo ASAP, but we're still > working on stuff. We hope it could be a part of 15.10 and we hope we can > make everything work until the release date. > > The arrival of Wily Werewolf would make it official, most likely. > > TBA. > > > On Mon, 2015-07-27 at 16:17 +0100, Charlie Moss wrote: > > Is someone setting up a t-shirt store? I have created a few t-shirts at > streetshirts.co.uk and they're good quality for the UK market. It would > be great to have a choice between logo only and name & logo. Is the logo > now public or is there a specific launch date? > > > Regards, > > > > *Charlie* > > > > > > > On 27 July 2015 at 16:06, Patrik Bubák <[email protected]> > wrote: > > And exactly what makes you think that I am desperate to perform or > whatever it is that you're imagining in your twisted fantasies? I, like all > my comrades from the team, are just a volunteers. We're doing what we love > and we signed up to help. We don't long for the appreciation of the likes > of yourself. The fact that you're trolling here means obviously that nobody > needs you where you're probably supposed to be. Man, you're sad existence, > I give you that. > > I think many understand now why exactly was it that you were banned from > the Kubuntu forum, or whatever it was, and I of course agree with them, no > doubt, you convinced me about yourself. > > Those who talk the most, like in your case, do so nobody notices how empty > they really are. And you most likely have no one to talk to, so you're > alleviating your painful existence where it doesn't belong. > > Nobody is interested in your nonsense here, so go troll somewhere else, > because that's what you have shown you are, nothing, nobody, just a troll. > Just another internet hero and we all know that everyone is an expert at > everything over the internet. > > Adieu loser :) > > > > On Mon, 2015-07-27 at 16:20 +0200, Xen wrote: > > You know, it starts to feel like > > /the new fragrance by ..../. > > ;-). > > Patrik Bubak is going to be famous. > > Hey, enjoy all. Charlie, not so sour. People are having fun doing what > they do. Perhaps indeed email communication is hard, it is augmented > by IRC, they say "discussions take place on IRC, decisions on email". > But it's a tough system. Forums are even a better place, but they seem > less official. All reason to imagine something better! :D. Perhaps one > day all of our "gripes" transform into something beautiful. Like this > logo ;-D. Now I'm dying to install a new version of Ubuntu Gnome with > the new logo incorporated ;-D. > > You know, even the 'trolls' have a fondness to the product. I know it > is sometimes a bit of 'taking a piss' at the people who seem to do the > work. > > But just remember this: > > /It means the guy wants to have a say because he can't find the time > or ability or opportunity or possibility to actually do something else > that he would love to do. So all he can do is try to argue on some > mailing list. Poor bloke. He really wants to contribute, but he can't. > We see his frustration. We honour his dedication, and his interest. We > thank him for his allegiance or commitment, at least in spirit, and > now we get him to shut up because he is nagging us and bugging us and > we have joy to perform :P./ > > Yes I apologize. I am so much alone that I am using (currently, just > today) this mailing list as a bit of a way to share random thoughts. > While you are trying to use it for work. Consider it my disease. Just > consider it you are doing me a huge favour not bashing my head in > instantly ;-). > > Communication is hard. It is a challenge in any business, where people > cannot meet face-to-face. Try to communicate with purely digital > (text) means. It is hard and introduces delay and misconception. (It > seems Kubuntu members are trying Telegram, the Russian chat service > that could replace Whatsapp, but that at least offers security and > group chats for all platforms. ...). > > BACK when I was studying there was a collaborative platform for > business that was rather expensive and we couldn't use it for long (we > were just students). It was a very nice system for online > collaboration. I don't even remember what it was called. In schools > they use BlackBoard it's not a bad system at all. *I wish there were > these professional team-based collaboration platforms for > communication and discussion as well as file uploads etcetera*. > > Anyway, gotta role. > > Still don't bash my head in ;-). > > Regards. > > > Quoting Charlie Moss <[email protected]>: > > I think a timeout is required by all.>> I'm sure all are aware that people > > are not being paid. If people's income> depended on this project such an > > ineffective system of communication would> not be used. From what I can > > see, people reply to older messages which> creates a different meaning to > > their words when they appear in the> timeline. There is a fine line between > > freedom of speech and trolling and> both terms are abused. Yes, many open > > source communities are under attack> by freedom of speech / trolling, and > > only the communities that evolve and> create news systems will survive.>> > > Regards,>> *Charlie*>>>> On 27 July 2015 at 09:16, Tim > > <[email protected]> wrote:>>>>>>> On 27/07/15 13:51, Ali/amjjawad > > wrote:>> >>> > There was a GOOD reason why I have created these > > sub-teams.>> >>> > Why? you might ask or wonder even after reading the > > above link which I'd>> assume you will click on it and have a read ...>> > > >>> > Because:>> >>> > 1. EACH AND EVERYONE here, who is working as a > > volunteer and NOT>> getting PAID, is doing a favor to the entire world. > > YES. We must respect>> > that, all of us. WE ARE doing this because we > > love it, period. Yet,>> we are not getting paid. Show more respect to the > > time invested into>> > this :)>> > 2. EACH AND EVERYONE here has a > > specific task to do, specially core>> members.>> >>> > There was a good > > reason why Alfredo and his team is leading or driving>> the artwork team.>> > > >>> > There was a good reason why Tim is our head of developers.>> >>> > > > There was a good reason why I am the community manager.>> >>> > Why do I > > have to repeat that over and over again? :(>> >>> > If you have any problem > > with any sub-team or member, do approach ME!>> >>> I'm going to add to > > this, since the false sense of entitlement that random>> community members > > seem to have in open source communities is just>> poison. All the team > > leads, have put significant (and mostly massive>> amounts of) time + effort > > into contribution to Ubuntu GNOME, and at the end>> of the day, someone > > needs make the final decisions, they all have a proven>> track record. We > > can not listen to and accommodate every single>> individuals wants/needs. > > Can you imagine the mess we would end up in if we>> tried to follow every > > crazy idea! At the end of the day the Team>> Leads sum up the community > > input and make the final call, of course there>> will be some that don't > > like the decisions, but we can't please everyone.>>>> We do listen to > > community feedback, but so far as the logo redesign goes,>> at this point > > we are well past the discussion phase. This has been>> ongoing for atleast > > 6 months, probably more with bits and pieces posted on>> both the main list > > and the artwork list. There were several proposed>> logos over that time. > > Patrik's logo was first unveiled in April [1], that>> was the time for > > these discussion not now (I believe at that time,>> there was no opposition > > to the logo).>>>> Seriously if people want a say in how Ubuntu GNOME runs > > or what happens>> etc, then you should join the relevant sub-team and start > > contributing.>> That is how open source works in the real world, the more > > you contribute>> the more you get a say in the project. An active subteam > > member carries>> the weight of probably a 100 users when it comes to > > decisions like this.>> And again its not we don't listen to our users or > > comummity, but we>> would end up with a complete cluster fuck if we did > > what every single one>> wanted.>>>> So on that note, as co-founder of > > Ubuntu GNOME (and head dev). This is>> going to be our new logo, while I > > agree it seems a little abstract to the>> uninitiated, the human mind is > > incredibly good at making associations>> between symbols and words, once > > someone sees the full logo (with Ubuntu>> GNOME text), they will forever > > know this is us, even when used just as a>> roundel.>>>> So please all take > > a step back, think of something constructive that you>> can contribute, and > > work on that. Make Ubuntu GNOME stronger, not drag>> it into the trolling > > world of bullshit, that exists across much>> open-source news sites/forums > > etc.>>>> [1] > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-gnome/2015-April/002976.html>>>>>>>> > > -->> Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list>> [email protected]>> Modify > > settings or unsubscribe at:>> > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome>>> > > > > > > > > -- > Sent using Evolution <https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Evolution/> from Ubuntu > <http://ubuntu.com/desktop> > > Nothing ruins creativity like too many voices weighing in. We call it the *Ice > Cream Principle*. Tell 10 people to go get ice cream with one condition: > they all have to agree on one flavour. That flavour is going to be > chocolate or vanilla every time. Groups of people don't agree on what's > cool or interesting, they agree on what's easy to agree on. > > -- > Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list > [email protected] > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome > >
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