On 01/08/15 18:03, Charlie Moss wrote: > Well, I hope you are right. I think new members need guidance rather than > leaving things to their own initiative, but I could be wrong. > > Good luck with the project. If you need any help from someone without > graphical or programming skills, please email me directly as I'm > unsubscribing from these lists. I already told you that we would love to have a short series of videos introducing ubuntu GNOME/gnome-shell, but you completely ignored that response apparently.
Though guess you are just trolling, we have gone so long without trolls on the lists and then 2 in a week. Next one to try that will be booted off into the Hobbit land with the real trolls! > > Regards, > * > * > *Charlie* > > > > On 1 August 2015 at 07:52, Tim <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > On 31/07/15 21:10, Charlie Moss wrote: > > If you find the system works, stay with it. But don't stay with > something just because A, B & C are using it, as B maybe be staying with it > > because you, A & C are using it, C maybe be staying with it because > you, A & B are using it, etc. > You seem to missing the bit where A,B and C need to communicate with each > other, on IRC I can contact anyone I need from any of those > previously > mentioned teams, the only struggle really is my timezone! I don't have to > find/signup/load a different proprietry chat platform for each > different team. > > > > I forget the 'phases of progress', basically they are.... outrage, > protest, acceptance, contentment (something like that). Gnome, > itself, is > > a fine example of this. > > > > For me, a new member in any group is gold. There should be a system of > 'Befriending'. An old member is connected with a new member to > befriend > > them, guide them, make them feel welcomed, connect them with other > members, assess their abilities and ultimately allocate them a roll they > > will enjoy and be suited to. IMHO, this is how to build a community. > But again, if your present system is working well, then stay with it. > We are not here to hand hold you through the process, most people work on > things that interest them, we don't just stuff tasks down there > throats. Better you would use some initiative and contact the team leader > for whatever team you were interested in. > > > > I'm not here to make waves or criticize. 100 people looking at a single > painting will see 100 different scenes, yet each of the 100 believes > > there is only painting and therefore there can only be one perspective. > > > > According to the survey, there are over 200 people ready to contribute. > Hopefully, they can all help bring 3.18 to 15.04. > That won't happen, 200 anonymous people said they would contribute, how > many do you really think would, and how many actually have the > development/packaging skills to make 3.18 happen? Its a month until > Feature Freeze we can't even train people up that fast if they were > really keen. > > > > Regards, > > * > > * > > *Charlie* > > > > > > > > On 31 July 2015 at 10:43, Tim <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: > > > > > > > > On 31/07/15 19:12, Charlie Moss wrote: > > > Thank you for your feedback. It has become clear to me over the > past few weeks that I am not suited to contribute to an Ubuntu > community. My > > > enthusiasm to give back to Ubuntu Gnome has not changed, I simply > find the system of communication, IRC and Mailing Lists, totally > > ineffective > > > and inefficient. > > IRC is a little antiquated protocol, but it works great for real > time conversations, and all open source teams use this, red hat, > Canonical, > > debian, gnome, mozilla etc,. Similar goes for the mailing lists, > and I do agree finding the old history can be a little hard, but you > > should be > > able to dig it out with some google foo! > > > > IRC and mailing lists are the standard tools of the open source > world. Do you really think you can change the entire universe on that? > > > > > > It is nearly impossible for a new person to get involved, as a > topic's timeline is often divided when emails are forked, plus it > is easy to > > > miss a message when they are inserted into the text of the > previous email, making catch up very time-consuming. I'm sure if I > suggested > > using > > > 'Slack' I would be ignored or receive a list of reasons why it > was not suitable, but for me, video communication like Hangouts and > threaded > > > text communication like Slack are presently the most effective > systems of collaboration. > > Its not impossible, just ask someone, I'm sure they will point you > to past discussions! > > > > You say slack, someone else wants telegram, and then next we know > there a people wanting to use a dozen different propriety > platforms, that is > > never going to work. How many upstreams are on slack? probably 0, > sure this becomes less relevant for the community teams, but still you > > should > > get the point. Using IRC and mailing lists as an excuse for not > contributing seems a little lame. The artwork team are on slack or > telegram > > (forget which) and other sub teams are free to do that also if they > wish, but I can't see a day where all our comms switch over to slack > > > > > > Good luck to you all. I looking forward to October and the > release of Ubuntu Gnome 15.10. I hope it will have Gnome 3.18 as this > is clearly > > > more important to users than 100% stability. If a user requires > 100% stability, then they must remain with the LTS. > > 3.18 won't happen in 15.10, unless by some miracle we double our > development team.... > > > > > > Regards, > > > * > > > * > > > *Charlie* > > > > > > > > > > > > On 30 July 2015 at 08:01, Tim <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> <mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On 29/07/15 21:29, Charlie Moss wrote: > > > > Cool, I'll be there. > > > > > > > > (Tim/Darkxst. 'Contribute' may seem so clear and simple to > you but to me, as some new to such a community, it doesn't.) > > > There is no clear cut definition of 'contribute' and it > largely depends on which team you are interested in. Most teams you > can just > > join and > > > discuss your intests/ideas on their relevant list. Anyway you > seem to have been fairly active on the mailing lists so that is > a good > > start! > > > Sorry I missed you original thread about video docs, I will > reply to that now. > > > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > * > > > > * > > > > *Charlie* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 29 July 2015 at 11:53, Tim <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> <mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > > > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 29/07/15 20:22, Charlie Moss wrote: > > > > > I know that I am not part of the core team (or any > team as I have not found the secret entrance yet) so will not be > invited to > > > this meeting. > > > > All our meetings are public if you want to attend, then > just do that, no invite needed. as for the secret entrance to > get into the > > > sub-teams, > > > > its simple contribute! > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list > > > > [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > <mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>>> <mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > > > <mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>>>> > > > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list > > > [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > <mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>>> > > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list > > [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome > > > > -- Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list [email protected] Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome
