Guys, I think we are deviating from the topic.
On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Onkar Shinde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 3:05 AM, Kingsly John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > +++ Onkar Shinde [2008-04-05 02:05:09]: > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 7:02 PM, Vivek Khurana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Mir Nazim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Hello all > > > > > > > > > > I am completely unable to mount the movie DVD on gutsy. > > > > > > > > > > I was working earlier but then did not watch any movie for quite > some. > > > > > > > > > > Some quick search Google/Ubuntu Forums tell me that updates are > > > > > culprits. I verified on an un-updated system and DVD mounts > easily. > > > > > > > > > > Any ideas what could wrog. > > > > > > > > Looks like ubuntu QA is the culprit again... > > > > > > I would like 'Ubuntu QA' not being blamed for following reasons > > > 1. Ubuntu QA is not a well defined team. It includes almost anyone who > > > does packaging, bug reporting/triaging/fixing and anyone who > > > uses/tests Ubuntu. > > > > No it doesn't include so many people... there is a specific package > > maintainer who has responsibility for a package.. and at the very least > > should check if something basic like starting mailman or inserting an > optical > > disc has the expected result. > > We are not sure if the problem is faced here (related to DVD) is by > everyone or just few users who have specific hardware. So we can't not > say directly that package maintainer didn't test the package before > upgrade. > > > > > 3. More often than not the hardware problems that come in the form of > > > regressions are side effects of supposedly harmless change or > > > security/bug fix that someone did. > > > > No, regressions have little to do with hardware... the hardware is a > > constant.. it's the code that is the problem. > > Yes, hardware is constant on your machine. But it is variable between > your machine and package maintainers machine. So even if it is broken > for you, it may not be for him. > > > > > 4. It is my firm belief that all of the core developers in Ubuntu who > > > have power to crash your systems through the way of broken packages, > > > take very much care not to let it happen. But it is many times not > > > possible to test all the scenarios which might introduce regressions. > > > > Murphy will ensure that regressions can and will continue to happen .. but > > they should not happen for such basic functionality. > > > > And there is no reason to justify such regressions. > > > > What next justify the security issues on Windows because MS Employees are > > human too ? > > > > Kingsly > > > > PS: I have no idea if the DVD is issue is a regression or not ... I just > don't > > think trying to justify it is the right attitude. > > The case we are discussion here is a regression. It happened on gutsy > when some updates were installed. > No. I am not trying to justify the regressions. I remember some bugs > in launchpad where people were not able to boot their hardy > installations when they were having some specific type of hard drives. > The problem was that some old driver got disabled in favor of new > driver and it was causing unbootable machines for a small percentage > of users. > So I believe that issues like this which are related to hardware are > most of the times corner cases. > > And i specifically wanted to present objection to the sentence 'Ubuntu > QA is culprit'. > > I hope I have properly explained what I wanted to say. > > > > Onkar > -- > Passion - Some people climb mountains - others write Free software. > Don't ask why - the reason is the same. > > -- > > > ubuntu-in mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in > -- -- ALLAH HAFIZ ------------------------------------------- Mir Nazim ------------------------------------------- mobile: +91-9906478306 ------------------------------------------- website: http://www.xensoftlabs.com blog: http://mirnazim.wordpress.com ------------------------------------------- Yahoo, Gmail/GTalk, Skype, AOL : mirnazim -- ubuntu-in mailing list [email protected] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
