Sorry! Accidentally sent it to only Hannie. The email I tried to send is below:
Begin forwarded message: > From: Thomas Corwin <[email protected]> > Date: July 14, 2014 at 12:14:56 AM EDT > To: Hannie Dumoleyn <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-manual] Merge with the Ubuntu Docs team? > > Hello everyone, > > I would like to apologize for my major absence the past few months, as I've > been preparing to enlist and serve in the United States Navy as a nuclear > engineer and computer programmer. I will finish this apology in a separate > email, as it has little meaning to the topic at hand. > > Now, onto my two cents in this matter: > > What do you think of this proposal? > > Personally I am a neutral party as to what I think of the proposal itself. We > have had very few active members in the past year and could easily benefit by > merging with the Ubuntu Documentation team. With that being said, we would > not be the small group of volunteers focused on the manual. There would be > many more things going on other than just the manual, and this could provide > many setbacks as the team would prioritize the manual, server documentation, > and others on (an assumed) "needed" basis. > > Do you think the Ubuntu Manual project should be disbanded? > > No, I do not particularly think the project should be disbanded. The only > problem we are facing at this point is a lack of contributors. Yes, we have a > few dedicated contributors, but this is obviously not enough considering we > are months late releasing the Ubuntu Manual for 14.04. > > If the Ubuntu Manual project were to disband, would you be interested > in joining the Ubuntu Docs team to work on the documentation there? > > That would depend on how much things would change. Like the flow of > everything. We have set coordinators, editors, authors, and a way of doing > things that we are all accustomed to. I feel as though we wouldn't be as > organized since we will be in a larger group. But probably, depending again > on the changes. > > Why did you choose to join the manual team instead of the docs team? > > I joined the Ubuntu Manual team because it seemed less overwhelming. It was > one team in one focused project, and it is all easy to learn. Also, for most > of the docs team, you have to have at least a basic background of Ubuntu. > When I district joined this team, I just learned what Ubuntu was, which was > why I decided to add the "Wine" section, rather than working on another > section that I had no clue what it was about. > > Do you have any other thoughts on this proposal? > > Not really. Personally I do not want this project to merge with the doc team, > but it's about the majority, rather than the minority. I'm not going to > refuse to continue development with the team if we are moved to the docs > team, but I don't think it is in our best interest. > > > PS: I also want to +1 with Hannie about proofreading and releasing ASAP. Last > I heard, it looked fine, but the table of contents seemed to be a bit messed > up (hopefully this is fixed?) > > Thank everyone! > Thomas Corwin > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 13, 2014, at 11:39 AM, Hannie Dumoleyn <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Here are some of my thoughts. >> I did not join the docs team at the time because I was sort of sent away. I >> was told to read the team documentation, and that was it. >> When I joined the UMP, there was a lot of support via this mailing list and >> the information on u-m.org. As a beginner I always received a quick answer >> to my (sometimes stupid) questions. >> More than a year ago (maybe even 2 years) I suggested we work together with >> the Ubuntu docs team, explaining in that email that the UMP and docs can >> coexist because they approach users in different ways. Unfortunately, at >> that time the docs team was not very active, so there was no reaction. >> Since both teams use different methods of producing their documentation >> (Latex versus DocBook) I think we should rather work together (where >> possible) than become a subteam of each other. >> What can be done together? >> * writing/proofreading (which can be done without knowledge of either latex >> or docbook, although beginners may have questions which must be answered >> quickly). >> * exchange knowledge on new versions. What's new? Articles, tweets, >> publications on What's new. >> * exchange experience on what works well and what does not in the team. e.g. >> in UMP we have authors/editors assigned to the subject(s) they feel >> comfortable with. I personally think that is a good approach, but it also >> needs to be guided. As we have seen in the last version, without >> coordinators this system does not work. >> * find more contributors through social media etc. Explain the difference >> between the manual and docs so people can decide for which team they want to >> contribute, or maybe both. Example: someone knows a lot about the >> installation of Ubuntu. He or she can write both for the manual (chapter >> installation) and docs (installation section). >> >> WAKE UP CALL >> I hope the UM team will become more active again. Let's start by finishing >> the Trusty version. Since there are no big differences between 13.10 and >> 14.04, I suggest we start proofreading asap. You can download the trusty >> version from Launchpad, make ubuntu-manual.pdf, and start proofreading the >> sections/chapters you like most. If you have any questions, please do not >> hesitate to ask them on this list. >> Our shared spreadsheet [1] is not up to date, but we can make it up to date >> by adding our names to the Authors/Editors columns and adding comment to the >> status columns. Since I do not know if the names in the Editors column are >> still correct, I have added another column "Editors 14.04-1". The idea is >> that the status of all sections/chapters get the text "Complete" and the >> color green when finished. >> Remember, since this is an LTS version it is not too late to publish the >> Trusty version of our manual, but we should not wait too long. >> Hannie >> >> [1] >> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ApS28NMLnYJXdEdGQjRtUWtaOUZxREVzUldSOU5kc2c#gid=4 >> >> op 13-07-14 08:57, Kevin Godby schreef: >>> Hello, everyone. >>> >>> At the last Ubuntu Docs meeting, it was proposed that the Ubuntu >>> Manual project be shut down and the Ubuntu Manual team members join >>> the Ubuntu Docs team and work on the desktop documentation instead. >>> >>> You can read the logs of our discussion at >>> <http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting-2/2014/ubuntu-meeting-2.2014-07-02-17.00.log.html#l-179>. >>> >>> The docs team asked that I email the Ubuntu manual team members to >>> gauge your interest and collect your thoughts on the idea. >>> >>> So I'll turn the floor over to you. Here are a few questions we should >>> consider: >>> >>> What do you think of this proposal? >>> >>> Do you think the Ubuntu Manual project should be disbanded? >>> >>> If the Ubuntu Manual project were to disband, would you be interested >>> in joining the Ubuntu Docs team to work on the documentation there? >>> >>> Why did you choose to join the manual team instead of the docs team? >>> >>> Do you have any other thoughts on this proposal? >>> >>> Thanks for your input! >>> >>> —Kevin Godby >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual >>> Post to : [email protected] >>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual >>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual >> Post to : [email protected] >> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual >> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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