Team, I understand many folks are Ok with this or it wouldn't exist. But this goes against everything we say Ubuntu is, "humanity to others". I didn't see an exclusion noting "humanity to others but Microsoft". If it is there then I need to know what we mean by Microsoft. One person specifically, or everyone who works for Microsoft.
I also understand some feel this is just an inside joke. Not anymore, I was able to Google it and return the launchpad site without any problem (bug #1). I was sadden to see Ubuntu stood alone. Has Microsoft singled out Ubuntu specifically? What about Fedora or SuSE? The funny thing about jokes is humor is always in the eye of the beholder. Is Ubuntu the bully in the playground of open source? One could argue we are justified because it's true. Doesn't everyone know Microsoft is the bad guy? I wasn't aware of it and in marketing we must be very careful not to engage in the dissemination of hear-say, gossip, or slander. The list goes on and on but the real bottom line is this. What does Ubuntu stand to gain? I say it again, what does Ubuntu stand to gain? Please, can anyone answer that question? If this is the measure of what we are, then how much better are we than they? Seriously, I know we are better than this. John On Sun, 2006-08-13 at 12:00 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Send ubuntu-marketing mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of ubuntu-marketing digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Bug #1 is a Marking Disaster (John Baer) > 2. Re: Bug #1 is a Marking Disaster (Tom M) > 3. Re: Bug #1 is a Marking Disaster (Brian Burger) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 16:58:14 -0400 > From: John Baer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [ubuntu-marketing] Bug #1 is a Marking Disaster > To: Marketing Team <[email protected]> > Cc: Mark Shuttleworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Team, > > I was reviewing the Ubuntu Marketing home page and I noted this comment > and wondered what it meant. ?Ubuntu Bug #1 is our inspiration and its > final bug fix is our final goal. Spreading all Free Software is within > the interest of the Team, and Ubuntu among that is its main focus.? > > What in the world does that mean? To investigate further I clicked the > link which took me to launchpad. The following is a quote from that > page. > > ---- > > ?Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC > marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Microsoft > has a majority market share | Non-free software is holding back > innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part > of the world's population and limiting the ability of software > developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely > evident in the PC industry. > > Steps to repeat: > 1. Visit a local PC store. > What happens: > 2. Observe that a majority of PC's for sale have non-free software > pre-installed > 3. Observe very few PC's with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed > What should happen: > 1. A majority of the PC's for sale should include only free software > like Ubuntu > 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and > benefits would be apparent and known by all. > 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes.? > > ---- > > I really don't know the message we are trying to send but the odds are > it's not favorable. My first question would be is any of this really > based on fact. I live in the US and without a doubt Microsoft is a big > player here. I have no idea who the big player may be in China or > Russia. Is this the next bug we need to start fixing? Let's not forget > Apple, IBM, and SUN are in the OS business. > > Wow, things are really starting to get busy as the bugs add up. > > All of this flies in the face of Ubuntu Values and the Ubuntu code of > conduct. > > Are we to introduce our self to a potential Ubuntu user who may be using > Microsoft Windows by saying we are here to fix a bug? > > Without a doubt this is a marketing disaster of grand proportion and I > am disappointed this level of child's play ever made it from the locker > room. > > John > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 14:54:25 -0800 > From: "Tom M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Bug #1 is a Marking Disaster > To: "John Baer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: Marketing Team <[email protected]>, Mark > Shuttleworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > John, > > > I really don't know the message we are trying to send but the odds are > > This is only from my readings and memory so might not be 100% > accurate, but the target audience for bug #1 was Free Software > developers with whom the idea of 'fixing bug #1' resonates. Fixing > bug #1 was established when Ubuntu was first established. While I > agree that its message might not be appropriate for marketing to > corporate audiences, etc. It was quite appropriate for the target > audience when it was created. > > > My first question would be is any of this really > > based on fact. > > Yes, > > MS has huge market dominance (on the desktop) in pretty every country, > including China and Russia. This could change with OLPC (One Laptop > per child) project. > > > Let's not forget > > Apple, IBM, and SUN are in the OS business. > > And all of them are fairly heavy supporters of free software as > opposed to openly hostile. > > > Are we to introduce our self to a potential Ubuntu user who may be using > > Microsoft Windows by saying we are here to fix a bug? > > First there is almost no chance that a potential user will encounter > the Ubuntu Marketing team page. People who will see that page are > probably already heavy users of Ubuntu and are looking to contribute. > This may or may not be a 'turn off' for them. > > > All of this flies in the face of Ubuntu Values and the Ubuntu code of > conduct. > > I just reread the Ubuntu code, and I must admit I don't see how it > 'flies in the face' of it, could you elaborate please? > > > Without a doubt this is a marketing disaster of grand proportion and I > > am disappointed this level of child's play ever made it from the locker > > room. > > While I see why you might think it ill advised, I think you are > overstating things significantly. It is a bit of developer and > motivational humor, something that a potential user is pretty much > garunteed not to encounter, and only likely to be encountered by those > interested in helping in the marketing effort, or contributing to bug > fixing. > > Tom M. > LetterRip > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 00:22:56 -0700 > From: "Brian Burger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Bug #1 is a Marking Disaster > To: "Marketing Team" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > On 8/12/06, John Baer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I really don't know the message we are trying to send but the odds are > > it's not favorable. > > > Good Lord. John, it's a joke. > > "Joke \Joke\, v. i. [L. jocari.] > > To do something for sport, or as a joke; to be merry in words > or actions; to jest. > [1913 Webster]" > > And as has already been pointed out, it's pretty much an inside joke, at > that. > > I'd also regard it as a perfectly legit & serious bug report, in addition to > being a joke, but never mind... > > I think Mark reads this list, so I've removed the extra CC to him. I'm sure > he gets enough spam. > > Brian. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-marketing/attachments/20060813/57c8ace2/attachment-0001.htm > > > ------------------------------ > -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list [email protected] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
