On 06/06/08 07:44, John Botscharow wrote:
> Onno Benschop wrote:
> > While it might feel as if we're breaking new ground, the reality is that
> > ubuntu-marketing team has existed for some time. (It was created in
> > October 2005)
>
> > There is a lot of new energy in the group and lots of contributions are
> > flowing to the list, which is great to see, but there have been other
> > times where this was the case.
>
> > I suggest that you take the time between now and the meeting on
> > Saturday, June 7 @ 21:00 UTC in [EMAIL PROTECTED] to read some of
> > the proceedings from other meetings.
>
> > I would like to think that we can learn from their experiences and build
> > on them. I'm not saying that we should replicate their path, but just
> > observe things with the benefit of 20/20 hind-sight. I've included
> > historical records for your consideration below:
>
> > * https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Meetings/IRCLogs/2006-06-28
> > * https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Meetings/IRCLogs/2006-07-13
> > * https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Meetings/IRCLogs/2006-07-21
> > * https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-marketing/
> > * http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2006/06/27/%23ubuntu-marketing.txt - and
> > beyond
>
> > If there are other historical records you are aware of, or if you are
> > part of the history, please feel free to comment on this thread.
>
>
> A good suggestion. I looked at the last two already. And your suggestion
> about researching the history brings up part of the reason I suggested
> in the agenda that we think about setting up a forum as a way of keeping
> an more organized record of important discussions. Searching email
> archives can be quite difficult and time consuming and VERY frustrating
> if you want to find something important.
>
This illustrates my point exactly.
The very first link I provided has a whole thread about the same
discussion, to have a forum or not. This same argument comes up in many
discussion lists I manage or participate in.
The simple matter is that to all intent, a forum is a web-based mailing
list.
If you have a means to search the mailing list archive, then you have
the same functionality in a more accessible form - that is, it can be
used in more places. An example that comes to mind is a little side
project that one of the ubuntu-server team is working on that
categorises emails dynamically to allow a high-level view of the
on-going conversation.
Personally, I think a forum is a poor substitute for a discussion,
because it relies heavily on a web application, databases and other
sophisticated environments to create a "gui" to a basically static chunk
of text.
So, do we need the ability to search the mailing list - absolutely, but
changing to a forum makes no sense to me.
As for searching the list:
* Add "site:https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-marketing/"; to
any google search and you'll be able to search the list. If I have
a moment, I'll add a search box to the wiki for just that purpose.
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