I am speaking here as the mentoring receptionist.
On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 4:39 AM, Scott Kitterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I will confess that I don't pay as much attention to the Mentors program as I
> probably should. I had no idea we were allowing people who weren't MOTU to
> act formally as mentors.
Currently people allowed to mentors are:
-> for the junior program : Ubuntu Universe Contributors, Motus, Core dev
-> for the senior program : Motus, Core dev
>
> This is a stunningly bad idea and should stop. I just finished trying to help
> a novice mentee who was trying to upgrade his system to Jaunty because his
> mentor told him too.
As I said on the IRC, I will contact the mentor to understand his
point of view. (and I have to mention that ScottK was more than OK
with that, since he pointed out that he didn't have both side of the
stroy).
>
> Unless you really know what you are doing, running Jaunty right now is
> insanity. It's also completely unnecessary to learn and do packaging work
> for Jaunty.
I think it is a general good sense advice. Not only limited to the
mentoring program...
>
> The individual is an UCD, and I suspect that is the basis on which it was
> considered appropriate. This is a complete misuse of UCD. UCD is a measure
> of community participation and involvement. There is no particular technical
> expertise needed to be a UCD.
I really thing you have spotted the main problem : what is exactly the
requirements needed in order to become a Ubuntu Universe Contributors
? After some discussions on IRC, apparently it is only granted on a
development interaction, while for many people (myself included) there
is a low technical review (of course nothing compared to the review
done for MOTUship).
I think looking at the applications of the various uuc (that have been
granted so far), is a good exemple of that.
>From my point of view (Ubuntu Universe Contributor myself, not a MOTU
yet, for those of you who don't know me), I really think that someone
who has completed the first step (junior part) of the mentoring
program can guide someone in the junior step.
Let's have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Mentoring/NewModel,
where you can find the details for the mentoring program (in our case
were are focussing on the junior program). There is a rought list of
some points that a mentee have to deal with before applying to uuc....
I agree that having done so, is not a review of technical expertise,
but I really think these are the common basics that are needed to
start in our community. And an uuc can lead someone in the junior
program (may be not the day he has been granted but after some
time...). And we all know that teaching, is one of the best way to
improve yourself...
>
> I know there aren't enough mentors, but I seriously think no mentor is better
> than one who doesn't know what he's doing.
Of course we lack mentors... and the shortage of mentors in the junior
program is a real problem that we are facing...
>
> I'm not sure if this needs a policy decision at a MOTU meeting to change. If
> it does, consider this the starting gun for the discussion.
Thanks for starting discussion Scott.
To sum up, I really think there is a misunderstanding on the
requirements to become uuc.
If being around without doing much for some time is enough to become
uuc, then I agree uuc shouldn't be able to mentor.
But I really think that all applications received by the MC, and
everyone who have finished the junior process (or who will in the next
future) have the necessary background to take care of a junior
mentor...
It might be an important point to clarify... and then after of course
we will refine the mentoring program...
Chris
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