--- Ursprüngliche Nachricht --- Von: Jelmer Prins <[email protected]> Datum: 31.03.2015 12:25:15 An: zed123 zed <[email protected]> Betreff: Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Allow installing apps from ubuntu touch app store without creating an account
> I think the pro’s of making everyone subscribe outweigh the cons > If it would be possible to install apps from the store without an account > you would need to add a lot of extra functionality to handle those cases. > > It also would be harder to debug these things as you would need an extra > emulator/phone for this situation or constantly log in and out of your own > account. > > greetz > JustCarakas > On 31 Mar 2015, at 12:14, zed123 zed <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht --- > > Von: Martin Albisetti <[email protected]> > > Datum: 31.03.2015 02:43:40 > > An: zed123 zed <[email protected]> > > Betreff: Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Allow installing apps from ubuntu touch > app store without creating an account > > > >> On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 6:08 AM, zed123 zed <[email protected]> > > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> i heard that it's not possible to download apps from the ubuntu > touch > >> app > >>> store without having an ubuntu one account. I think you should > change > >> this: > >>> Firefox OS allows downloading apps from its marketplace without > an account, > >> > >>> so i don't see why this shouldn't also be possible with ubuntu > touch. > >> > >>> > >>> "While the usual tradition of linux distributions is to > have repositories > >> > >>> accessible to anyone, why do I need to have a ubuntu one account > in > >> order to > >>> download apps on the ubuntu store? While ubuntu has until now > been very > >> > >>> strong into providing open alternatives to mainline products, > e.g. from > >> > >>> microsoft or apple, this requirement is a serious threat to > the open > >> > >>> philosophy. I can't see any technical difficulty into not having > accounts > >> on > >>> the server side, and I am very worried about this. " > >>> > >>> From this thread: "Why do I need a ubuntu one account to > download > >> apps" > >>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2265106 > >> > >> A lot of good points have already been made in that forum thread. > > >> You need an account for several things: > >> - App purchases > >> - In-app purchases > >> - Recovering previously installed apps (free or paid) > >> - Remote installing from a web-based store > >> - Persisting data in the cloud (U1DB) > >> - Accepting per-user licenses (free or paid) > >> - Notifying users (via email) of malicious apps they have installed > > >> that were discovered after they were in the store for a while > >> - Mitigating DDoS download attacks > >> > >> Your argument is that you may not want any of those things, and > if you > >> don't, you should be able to download an app without authenticating. > I > >> agree with that from a pure technical point of view. > >> However, the default case for the majority of the users and developers > > >> will be to want these features so thats what we focused on providing. > > >> We could prioritize this work in the future, but it would involve > > >> solving at least a few important issues: > >> - Developers will need to decide for each app if they want to make > > >> their app available, a decision many developers unfamiliar with > open > >> source won't understand > > I don't understand this? Wouldn't it be just a choice of whether the > app is free or paid? > >> - The code everywhere has to be changed to support authenticating > > >> optionally, in some cases, for some users, for some apps > > Good point, but i suppose mozilla has a way to cicumvent this problem. > > >> - If the user doesn't have an account, can he browse all apps? > How do > >> we make sure they understand why sometimes we ask the to create > an > >> account/log in, sometimes we don't? > > If a user has no account he can browse everything, and for paid ones > he'll have to create an account. Simply tell the user that an account is > necessary for paying or whatever, i think they would understand. > >> - Developers want to target platforms they can make money off of. > If > >> the process of your first purchase involves creating an account > at the > >> same time as providing your payment details, you are chopping off > a > >> significant portion of purchases for that developer as most people > > >> will desist when faced with more processes > > I don't think that this would be the case. If you shop online you also > have to create accounts and provide payment details, and no one complains. > Plus you have to register only once and then never again, so i don't think > this would hurt sales. And you could still ask user to create account when > turning on the device the first time and tell them they might need it to > purchase apps, but then make it optional. > >> - We as a platform want to make money off of the store to pay for > > >> infrastructure and development, same problem as above applies > >> - Apps might want to persist your data, for example, a save game. > Its > >> a terrible time to have to create an account. > > Should be up to the user if he wants his data in the cloud or not imho. > > >> > >> All in all, its been shown again and again that the right time to > make > >> users log in or create an account is on device set up, where they > are > >> expecting and willing to invest that extra bit of time which then > pays > >> off for them, developers and us as a platform down the line. > >> > >> So, it is possible and we might do it in the future. It is, however, > > >> not easy nor currently more important than the many other challenges > > >> we currently have. > > Good to hear that you might do it later on, i hope that this will be > the case. You might want to talk to mozilla about solving any problems since > they have an appstore that works without registration(for free apps). > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > powered by Perfect-Privacy.com / Secure-Mail.biz - anonymous and secure > internet. > > > > > > -- > > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone > > Post to : [email protected] > > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone > > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > > ______________________________________________________ powered by Perfect-Privacy.com / Secure-Mail.biz - anonymous and secure internet. -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : [email protected] Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
