Really exciting to see the way things are developing with Ubuntu
Personal. Just found last night on my Nexus 7 that Windowed mode isn't
restricted - awesome. Was able to multi-task with no issues. Also loving
the battery life of my BQ, and accept that wouldn't be possible with the
'standard' model of multi-tasking now prevalent with other systems.
I remember when the ipad first came out - there was lots of sneering
that it couldn't multi-task. IOS too in general had that restriction. It
changed over time however - I look forward to seeing the evolution with
Ubuntu Personal, and finding better ways to do things. It's interesting
seeing this balance being struck.
Nathan, the other week you wrote this:
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In Ubuntu, convergence means being the best it can be on each form
factor with no compromises, and the ability for a single application to
adapt instantly and seamlessly to each form factor.
Ubuntu's designers are working on the exact desktop story and where this
all fits in. It's never been done before and nobody else is trying.
It's going to be an exciting year.
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I'm interested in your thoughts here - isn't this what Microsoft is
currently trying to do with Windows 10, or is their implementation
different?
Cheers,
Mitchell
On 15/08/15 01:12, Christian Dywan wrote:
What you see there is one of the first steps of what's still a work in
progress. This raises questions that haven't been answered/ specced
yet like should an application pulling data from the network stop
doing that if it's not focused? Should it stop once you minimized it?
Once it's covered by other windows?
OSX is doing something very similar, they call it AppNap: if an app is
not in the foreground and not playing sound, it's suspended.
So if by "multi-tasking" we're talking everything running at once and
consuming power, then yes that is going the way of the bengal tiger,
to go by a more accurate analogy, it will exist but as a corner case.
But don't equal this work with losing all of the mentioned features.
We're just moving to smarter and more efficient ways of doing things.
Regards,
Christian
Am Fr, 14. Aug, 2015 um 4:47 schrieb nick luigi eusebio
<[email protected]>:
I think currently when you are in windowed mode, apps are not suspended
and all runs simultaneously except I think the browser.
This is what I noticed on my Nexus 7 so everything seems
a lot more sluggish when in windowed mode. :)
Now my question too, is how application confinement and multiple
application instance
will be handled.
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*To:* [email protected]
*Sent:* Friday, August 14, 2015 8:06 AM
*Subject:* Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [Development] Override user agent
string in WebApp
So what's the plan then for convergence? I get that battery life is
important for phones and tablets - heck, probably many IOT devices as
well. Battery life however is NOT crucial for desktop machines, and
probably never will be. What is crucial however is real multi-tasking...
I get why Ubuntu Touch devices currently have awesome battery life -
I get application confinement, and I understand the concept of having
background services on an OS level that apps can plug into. Very
clean and neat. What I don't currently understand is what will happen
on desktops, or with a phone when docked.
I'm typing this on my "insecure" laptop running 15.04, with no
application confinement. I have multiple browser tabs open, all of
which are doing something. I have several terminals open with
scrolling text, with processes I can peek at when I want to know
what's going on. I have 4 downloads happening in the background, and
an email client across 5 accounts that is constantly checking for
emails. When I open a window and start a process, I know that it
continues without me staring at it the whole time.
How does pausing an application's process when it's not in focus add
to the current desktop usage scenario that most users now expect? My
laptop is plugged in with a cable right now - battery life isn't
important. How is Ubuntu Personal going to address this? There's no
way we can compete with Windows and Apple - let alone most other
Linux Distros, if multi-tasking goes the way of the Dodo. Would love
to hear how this is going to be addresses - think Ubuntu on my Nexus
& BQ devices is truly awesome - but the same concept on the desktop?
Meh... I'm waiting to be convinced.
Cheers,
Mitchell
On 14/08/15 09:31, Christian Dywan wrote:
Hey Peter,
When you say desktop right now that basically means X11 without any
confinement in place and no lifecycle enforcement, so applications
run happily and battery wastfully in the background at all times.
On the other hand anything running Ubuntu Personal with Mir as the
display server, which is most likely a phone (but can also be a
tablet or desktop if you're adventorous) pauses apps once they go
into the background. They won't be able to keep track of updates let
alone send a notification.
This is why push notifications are needed. A background service will
do the checking for updates and bring the application in the
foreground if the user opens the notification.
Hope that makes things a bit clearer.
Regards,
Christian
Am Do, 13. Aug, 2015 um 4:53 schrieb Peter Bittner
<[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>:
Ouch, that's unfortunate. Users are already requesting
notifications as a feature. Why is it possible to have desktop
notifications on an Ubuntu desktop machine, and it's not possible
on Ubuntu Touch? Are we using two different implementations here
and there? (How is convergence going to work if the two worlds
behave differently?) Would be good to know, Peter 2015-08-13 22:03
GMT+02:00 Niklas Wenzel <[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]>:
Yes, the Gmail notifications are created by the account-polld
background service. That logic has nothing to do with the
webapp. Am Do, 13. Aug, 2015 um 10:02 schrieb Peter Bittner
<[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>: Oliver,
I see that Gmail (the WebApp?) has push notifications on my
device. Is this maybe related to the Online Accounts, and not
the WebApp? Because the Gmail WebApp only has "accounts" as a
policy group, nothing else. Peter 2015-08-13 17:54 GMT+02:00
Oliver Grawert <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>: hi,
Am Donnerstag, den 13.08.2015, 17:32 +0200 schrieb Peter
Bittner: permission when you login. On Ubuntu Touch the same
thing must happen. I'm not sure I have seen this before (in a
WebApp). except that your app is suspended when it is not
having the focus or the screen is locked ... so the only time
when notifications directly from the app work is while you are
using it actively ... ciao oli
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