On 03/01/13 16:44, Charlie Kravetz wrote:
On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 21:08:44 +0500
Omer Akram <[email protected]> wrote:
I would say that then the word ubuntu-quality is a bit too broad than its
actual purpose, i should have researched more but i did think they were not
limited to ISO testing only. As you stated that's not the case then its a
bit of misunderstanding about #ubuntu-quality on my end.
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 9:01 PM, Thomas Ward <[email protected]> wrote:
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Micah Gersten <[email protected]> wrote:
On 01/03/2013 07:14 AM, Omer Akram wrote:
Hi All
Just recently there started a discussion on Ubuntu bug squad list
about less people getting involved in bug triage along the discussion
there were a few points raised which let me to put the idea of merging
#ubuntu-quality and #ubuntu-bugs into one. Ultimately both have the
same goal that is talking about quality in Ubuntu.
At time people testing Ubuntu ISO will raise their bugs in
#ubuntu-quality and discussions may take place there. People may or
may not be available in both channels but since I believe people do
talk mostly about bug reports in those channels (though
#ubuntu-quality do have other topics as well) but I think merging them
will make a few things easier one will be that there will be mostly a
unified place for people to talk about bugs (i know people may talk in
#ubuntu+1 or #ubuntu-desktop as well but those channels have their own
reasons for exisitance)
Here I might not have a lot of point to argue plus I am never great
with words but the overall notion is that I believe that it will
result in a benefit for Ubuntu due to having a concentrated place to
talk bugs.
Thoughts/Suggestions/Pros/Cons all welcome and appreciated
Thanks!
I'm not sure I agree with this. #ubuntu-bugs is specifically for bug
triage, whereas #ubuntu-quality seems to not have a defined topic.
Whereas I'm likely to watch #ubuntu-bugs for people who need help with
triage, I'm not necessarily interested in most of what happens with
image testing and the issues that arise from it. This is not to say
that I don't care, rather that I'm not necessarily going to commit my
time to such issues.
You could in theory condense #ubuntu-devel, -desktop, and -release into
quality as well as the goal is quality, but I don't see that as being
productive.
Thanks,
Micah
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I am in full agreement with Micah, what #ubuntu-quality does is ISO
testing and other ISO/image related testing, and not necessarily bug
triage. I lurk in both #ubuntu-bugs and #ubuntu-quality. The
channels have separate goals. And in #ubuntu-bugs, I'm also more than
happy to help out with bug triaging, but I don't want to see ISO
testing bugs and related stuff in #ubuntu-bugs either.
Since not everyone's responding to both the BugSquad and
ubuntu-quality lists, I've sent this response to both.
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I was against the name change for testing to quality when it happened,
and I still believe the main results is confusion. quality in most
places is short for "quality assurance" or "quality control". Neither
applies to ubuntu testing alone.
In the case of this list, '-quality' definitely expands to 'quality
assurance' - as most of us know it was only 2 months ago that the list
was called 'ubuntu-qa' standing for just that :) That being the case, if
we are not doing 'quality assurance' then we definitely should be. The
meaning of quality assurance is a set of procedures that *in theory* can
provide a level of assurance that the product is of good quality.
Conflating that with all software development practices which could
impact on quality leads to far too broad a definition. If you like, QA
tells you how your software is broken and bug triage is part of the
process of fixing it.
However, in Ubuntu, ubuntu-quality is
simply a new name for testing. It is not a name to cover all quality of
the product.
With this definition in mind, to combine both quality and bug-triage
would be wrong, since triage and testing do not mean the same things.
Until Canonical decides once again that Quality means more than testing
a product, this can not happen.
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