On 23/11/13 06:43, Nio Wiklund wrote:
It happened again :-(
See this link
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1769482&page=79&p=12855281#post12855281
and oldfred's reply in the following post.
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"I have never trusted any of the auto install options. Generally they
seem to work, but often then when things start to go wrong, they just
snowball.
I find that Something else or manual install has always worked, but then
you have to know more than most new users. You have to manually
partition, choose partitions format like ext4 and mount like / (root).
Only users that have previously installed or know about partitions could
do that.
I also find it safer to have Windows on one drive and Linux on other
drives, but many users today have laptops, so they do not have that
option unless they use an external drive. "
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I think this another way of describing the problem. There are not enough
warnings in the desktop and alternate installers. And it should be easy
to fix it.
Best regards
Nio
On 2013-10-24 23:42, Dale Visser wrote:
I noticed a similar lack of warning in my upgrade install. I was on a VM
with snapshot backup in place, but still... I noticed that of you don't
read *everything* *carefully* before clicking, you could quickly pave
something important.
As an aside, I couldn't figure if it was possible for me to pave my '/'
partition, but leave my '/usr/local' and '/home' partitions alone.
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Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-qa] People do not understand the desktop installer
I checked Ubiquity, when you choose dual boot option, next window on
wizard show the "graph", lubuntu and Windows alongside... But if the
replace option is selected, there is nothing but the Install now
button... Once you hit that, it's all gone!
2013/10/24 Iberê Fernandes <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
2013/10/24 Nio Wiklund <[email protected]
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On 2013-10-24 17:36, JM wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 15:26:19 +0200
> Nio Wiklund <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>> Hi everybody,
>>
>> Today, there is another person, who misunderstood the
partitioning
>> dialogue of the desktop installer.
>>
>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2183287
>>
>> 'When I went to install 13.10 I chose the option to remove
windows and
>> replace with Ubuntu. I had two partitions when I chose this.
One with
>> files I wanted to keep and the other being the windows 7
partition. When
>> I chose to remove windows I assumed it would be placed on my
C drive and
>> not my other one. But what actually ended up happening was all my
>> partitions merged into one deleting everything. Now I only
have Ubuntu
>> on my drive. I need help retrieving my files please!'
>>
>> -o-
>>
>> This is what I have been telling, when describing the One
Button Installer
>>
>> '...
>> Case 1: Tool that is easy to use and just works
>>
>> The normal linux installers that come with iso files are
complicated to
>> use or freeze during the installation process, and you want a
tool that
>> is easier to use and just works.
>> ...
>> a. The Desktop Installer is flexible and looks nice, and is
generally
>> easy to understand, but the partitioning page can make people
confused.
>> There are several threads at the Ubuntu Forums describing
installations,
>> where a previous system has been overwritten by mistake. ...'
>>
>> It is really too bad, and something that should be improved
in 14.04
>>
>> Best regards
>> Nio
>
> Hi,
>
> A window with a warning in big and red could be added before
the person can access to the
> "apply" button. Something such as:
>
> WARNING YOU MIGHT DESTROY YOUR DATA : HAVE YOU DONE A BACKUP
OF YOUR PERSONAL DATA BEFORE
> PROCEEDING?
>
> ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO PROCEED?
>
> Followed by a "Yes" and a "Quit" button. (Perhaps not all in
high case... I don't use
> html in mails).
>
> And the installer has a partitionning tool which IS really
confusing. I would suggest to
> request that it be removed and calling Gparted which is much
easier to understand,
> imo, or it should be graphically improved and made perfect
before being provided to
> everybody.
>
> I anwered to the person at the forum and provided links to
testdisk and tutorials.
>
> Regards,
> Mélodie
>
Thanks Mélodie for providing help to the poor fellow who
misunderstood
the installer!
I was so absorbed by reporting the problem, that I forgot to
help ... I
will follow the case, and if testdisk does not work, and nobody
else is
faster than I, [I will] suggest PhotoRec.
-o-
Yes a warning screen is a good thing. Also a description of what
will be
wiped or overwritten (for each particular case). I agree that
gparted is
easier to understand, and available in the desktop iso file.
Best regards
Nio
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From the Facebook posts to our list:
http://amjjawad.blogspot.com/2013/10/ubiquity-and-installing-ubuntu-and-its.html
Interesting user experience.
Thank you Ali!
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I'm not sure that this is as big a problem as it is made out to be.
If we assume that 100,000 thousand people have installed and 1 person
failed to read or take notice or understand - do we really have to do
anything?
I read the thread the last time it appeared on the quality list, but
haven't gone back to read it this time - vaguely remembering some
calling for video's to show/be available - bad idea in my opinion.
Perhaps ubiquity could be reworded. The way to deal with that is with a
bug - it might get worked on, it might get marked opinion, it might get
marked wishlist - but talking about the same thing over and over in a
few mailing lists isn't the way forward.
As far as I can see this could happen
We do nothing - the few people that fail to take any notice of warnings
continue to do the same and continue to cause themselves problems.
There's a video - the few people that fail to take any notice continue
to do so - the video becomes a series and STILL the people that fail to
take any notice continue to do so ...
We reword things - the few people that fail to any notice continue to do
so - the rewording becomes a book - the few people that fail to any
notice continue to do so.
At some point we have to recognise that not everyone should be let loose
with an installer - and it isn't our job to cater for them.
Elfy
ps - not sure who started the ball rolling - but I'm not sure that
Ubuntu Qatar really want to be CC'd in - so can they stop including
[email protected] unless they're sure they want the messages ;)
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