Because:

 * The change in the wiki was in *contradiction* with what said by a
   Canonical employee in Ask Ubuntu
   
<http://askubuntu.com/questions/231230/how-do-i-get-design-input-on-a-paper-cut/231231>.
 * I have *no news* the rule had been there in the past (so I wasn't
   the one who removed it in the first place).

I *wrongly* reverted it, by commenting on it for just in case I was wrong.

So *nothing* to do with arguing. In fact, I *agree* with the rule of "only assign bugs to yourself, and only just before starting working on them" for any case; *without exception*. In fact, the mentioned case here demonstrated to stack bug reports for the One Hundred Papercuts project (what is the first waste to be avoided, according to Lean Management).

Regards ?


El 22/01/14 16:15, Brendan Donegan escribió:
On 22/01/14 14:51, C de-Avillez wrote:

Hello folks

TL;DR -- do not assign bugs to other people.n

Looks like a poor interpretation of the wiki. If we say 'in *general* NEVER assign a but to somebody else' that actually means that there may be specific cases where it can be done, such as the entry on askubuntu http://askubuntu.com/questions/231230/how-do-i-get-design-input-on-a-paper-cut/231231#231231 which discusses a *very* specific case where assigning to a user is allowed - which should be interpreted as 'in this specific case, the user 'Nick Tait' gives you his implicit permission to assign papercut bugs to him' - not 'oh hey, in general you can just assign bugs to whoever you want'. Anyway having a process where a bug is assigned to a named user is dubious so that should be changed.



I noticed, a few days ago, some edits on the Bugs/* namespace. In
general, good work, and a good consolidation on the multiple (and
almost, but not completely identical) pages.

There was, though, a edit that I do not agree with. So, to start, let's
posit two principles (and I am talking about triaging here):

* 1. The documentation about how to deal with bugs in Ubuntu is
   contained (or pointed to from) in the Wiki, under the Bugs namespace;
* 2. NOWHERE else is a good place.

Simple principles. The whole idea, after all, is to allow anyone,
either starting to help or trying to remember things, a *single* place
to go to find information.

So, back to the issue at hand. This edit dealt with Bug
status and, on reading it, I noticed that a restriction we had in
place for quite a long time was not there anymore.

This restriction goes as follows: "in general, NEVER assign a bug to
somebody else."

So I edited the page, and added it back [1].

I was surprised to find, later, a re-edit of the page with this
restriction taken out again [2], with a a comment "As seen it
<tinyurl.com/pm76zuw>, this is not true in all cases."

That is not the issue. The issue is one should NOT assign bugs to other
people. There are some reasons for this:
  * I see no problem with assigning bugs to teams (or projects): teams
    (and projects) usually survive changes. People join, and leave,
    teams and projects -- their interests changes --, but the teams (and
    projects) tend to stay.
  * this has been heavily abused in the past; we were all tired of
    finding ourselves with a new bug assigned to us *even* when it was
    not our area/interest/responsibility.
  * in the same vein, I do not need other people to decide what I have
    to do *without* contacting me first to see if I agree. This is
    really, really, bad manners.

The restriction was there for a reason. It should be back there (but I
am not going to re-edit the page, and start a silly "you are wrong; no
YOU are wrong" wiki edit battle).

And on the comment ("As seen it <tinyurl.com/pm76zuw>, this is not true
in all cases."): It does not matter. We may see a series of rules on How
To Assign A Bug To Other People in thousands of pages in the web.
But, for triaging, the ONLY VALID PLACE is under the Bugs/* namespace,
at https://wiki.ubuntu.com.

This also show WHY having a single point for triaging (and, in general,
for documentation) is a better option. I , personally, cannot understand
why would anyone have thought to go to askubuntu.com to ask how to
triage a bug. And, worse, why would anyone answer there giving a
*different* process, and NOT update the wiki?

And this brings another point: these pages provide GENERAL guidance. I
certainly do not want to see them grow without limit so that evey
single minuscule aspect of triaging can be documented. But I can
accept redirection to more specific pages (as long as we do not grow
*these* pages without bounds).

This is it. It is partially a rant, partially a -- for me -- reasonable
request.

Cheers,

..C..


[1]
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-bugsquad/2014-January/004438.html
[2]
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-bugsquad/2014-January/004436.html






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