On 31/08/12 10:12, Jean-Baptiste Lallement wrote: > On 08/31/2012 07:45 AM, Martin Pitt wrote: >> Scott Kitterman [2012-08-30 16:25 -0400]: >>> If we try and be too specific about criteria then we're going to get >>> rules >>> lawyers complaining we didn't follow the criteria rather than >>> applying common >>> sense. I see this happening with Feature Freeze exceptions, so I'm not >>> concerned about this at random. >>> >>> As long as it's general guidelines to give a broad expectation about >>> what's >>> likely to happen, I think it's fine. >> >> I agree. Stephane put it rather well in his reply. Any bug which >> causes the iso to not work at all (oversize, does not boot, installer >> crashes for a large number of people) or that has a bug which cannot >> be fixed with an upgrade (i. e. system does not boot or does not get >> network) needs a respin; I guess those are not challenged by anyone. >> >> However, as you said we might always have these bugs which technically >> could be fixed with an upgrade but are absurdly ugly, and perhaps even >> trivial to fix as well -- the release team should have the discrection >> and responsibility to respin on those as well; from my time at the >> release team I cannot remember a late respin that we did not clear >> with QA before. > I agree. As one of the main tester for Ubuntu, I don't remember a > situation where testing represented a risk for the release, that was not > discussed with me before the decision to respin was taken and testers > had to face a fait accompli. > > About this specific example for Precise, Stéphane clearly asked me the > time it would take to retest amd64 images. Being perfectly aware of the > nature of the fix and the scope of the tests, I replied with a > comfortable security margins. The release team took the decision to > respin considering our position.
>From next milestone onwards, please talk to plars and psivaa rather than jibel, since they are going to be taking over this QA responsibility from jibel. Thanks, Gema > >> >> Martin >> > > -- Gema Gomez-Solano <[email protected]> Ubuntu QA Team https://launchpad.net/~gema.gomez Canonical Ltd. http://www.canonical.com -- Ubuntu-release mailing list [email protected] Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-release
