Hello!

Thanks for the reply and for including a more appropriate team as recipient.

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2018-03-11 15:35 GMT+02:00 Jeremy Bicha <jbi...@ubuntu.com>:
> I'm replying to this email but I wasn't subscribed to that list:
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-quality/2018-March/007069.html
>
> Please send replies to ubuntu-release.
>
> Otto, thanks for taking the time to email us. I am not on the Ubuntu
> Release Team but here are my thoughts.
>
> I don't like your proposal to drop the epoch. That will cause everyone
> already using Ubuntu 18.04 (which is now in Beta) to have a version of
> mariabdb installed that will not get any updates (for security or bug
> fixes). Ubuntu isn't that much different than Debian here. You can't
> really remove the epoch in Debian and I don't see how you can
> reasonably remove it from Ubuntu either.

Yes, those who are already on Ubuntu 18:04 will slightly suffer, but
they know they are running a beta and the procedure for them to
recover is quite easy, just reinstall the package using the latest
MariaDB package version in the repository. Since they reinstall
another version of 10.1.x there would be no "downgrade" type of issues
and it would be completely painless.

I think it is much better to have a slight hickup in a beta release
than go into production and have massive issues for X thousand or
million users.

> It feels to me like it might be better to move Ubuntu 18.04 to 10.2
> and completely remove the 10.1 packages.

Yes, it is better to have a newer version, but that will not remove
the epoch thing, all the those epoch related problems will remain. The
package is from my point of view now sabotaged and I cannot fix it
because of the epoch.

> Do you know when 10.3 is expected to be officially "stable"? How risky
> is it for Ubuntu 18.04 to switch to the current 10.3 RC [1] instead of
> 10.1 or 10.2?

Yes, I can upload 10.3.5 within a week if you want. I would have done
that already if I could, but I cannot, since 1:10.1.29-6 is considered
higher than 10.3.5 and Debian/Ubuntu archives would not accept the
upload.


> How long would it take to get 10.2 or 10.3 ready for Ubuntu?

I can commit to do it in one week. Note however my problem with the
epoch, I don't want to have my name on a package that prevents users
of Ubuntu 18.04 LTS in the year 2019 to upgrade to MariaDB 10.4 or in
2020 to upgrade to MariaDB 10.5 etc.


> The support lifecycle for either 10.2 or 10.3 look a lot better than
> 10.1 for Ubuntu 18.04 LTS. [2]
>
> [1] https://downloads.mariadb.org/mariadb/+releases/
> [2] https://mariadb.org/about/maintenance-policy/
>
> And one more link for reference: https://bugs.debian.org/891641

Yes, the mariadb-10.2 removal is now done in Debian. It should have
been done a lot earlier, but I didn't notice this mess earlier and
thus only now got to trying to clean up things.

- Otto

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