2007/5/29, Nicola Larosa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Upstart isn't about boot time and it is just perfect for servers. > Upstart does 'monitoring' of services and starts them if they fail. > Order of started services is not important if you set up events right. > There is more logic in 'start mail server after networking', then it is > in 'start networking as 10th service, and mail server as 21st'. > Well, some say it is, you say it isn't. I don't like confusion. And yes, the idea of upstart is great. I have already said that, but it does not work yet, and it is not very good to leave beta-testing to the endusers. Upstart is not really implemented, only a fiew parts and allmost all my services are still started thru /etc/init.d/-scripts with a start-clause and a stop-clause.
> This is cause upstart still works in sysv mode. It's not fully > implemented. At the moment, booting process is (almost) exactly the same > as on RedHat or SuSE or any other sysv system. > Yes, and that causes a lot of confusion. And it doesn't make me control the services very good. If Upstart was fully implemeted it would have been another situation. Now it isn't and it just messes things up. > Cause of upstart? That would be like 'i will drop my porsche and go back > to fiat, cause i don't want to learn how to use tiptronic' :) As in > Porsche, you can choose another option in Ubuntu too. The name of the > package is - sysvinit. > Yes, because of Upstart. I don't want it when it's not fully implemented because I can't use the benefits of it. As you might have missed I was asking for a way to change back to SysVinit _or_ change distro. Now there is a way go change back, so I will still be using Ubuntu, just not Upstart. 2007/5/29, Nicola Larosa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > It seems unlikely that server usage has been neglected during all those > months of upstart deployment. However, should it be the case... > True. With Upstart, I would happily see the use of profiles and groups of services started together. And the next group shouldn't be able to start before a whole group (all of its services) is running. For example: One first group should be "singleuser-mode" where a bare minimum of services and tools are started. Then here could be a "Consol user mode" where filesystems are mounted and background services are started. And last a "GUI"-group where Xorg and all the other desktop services are started/handled. > ...couldn't you just install the sysvinit package? upstart conflicts with > it, so it would get removed, and your installation would revert to the > pre-upstart, standard boot handling. > Yes, I think I will do that. And wait for the project to grow larger first. M<by I will try to contribute to the project because it sound like a great idea, when it is fully implemented. > > -- > Nicola Larosa - http://www.tekNico.net/ Thank you both for trying to help me. // Anders -- ubuntu-server mailing list [email protected] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server
