On Nov 21, 2007 6:42 PM, Loye Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I really don't understand why you want to install desktop applications > > on your server and refuse to disable avahi? > > [Loye banging head against desk] > > I don't know what more I can say that will enable you to see the world > through the eyes of small business owners, who are my customers for server > products. > > I personally know how to set up a minimalistic, command-line, server > environment. I also know how to roll my own desktop that doesn't drag in > avahi, so I never have to disable it. (BTW, your simplistic solution to > "disable" avahi doesn't work over the long haul. Yes, it stops it from > starting on the next reboot. But experience has taught me that it doesn't > stay disabled over any reasonable number of software updates. The real > solution is never to install it in the first place.) If /etc/default/avahi-daemon get modified automatically, this is a bug that must be fixed
> > The small businesses who are the best candidates for Ubuntu SE find a > desktop environment on a server to be irresistible, even required. The > learning curve to administer a server is too steep without a GUI to assist > the admin. Besides, why should the customer be put to the choice between (a) > an insecure, unstable, but intuitive server OS (MS Server) and (b) a secure, > stable, but inscrutable server OS (Ubuntu SE)? There is no reason NOT to > give the administrator the security, stability, and standards-compliance of > Linux with an intuitive, documented GUI in the spirit of Ubuntu. > > > > MO instead of using gtk apps to setup a server, ebox > > (http://ebox-platform.com/index ) would be a better alternative. > > Again, you are looking at the world through the eyes of one who already > knows. > > eBox is great if you already know how to set up a webserver using the > command line and a text editor. But if the webserver itself gets messed up > (e.g., the admin forgot to put "/Directory" at the end of the site > configuration block and apache won't start), the admin is SOL. > > Instead, we need a desktop GUI to administer Apache, too. There is a project > to port YaST to Ubuntu (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YaST), which is a step in > the right direction. See also > http://content.techrepublic.com.com/2346-22_11-93051.html. I'd prefer a gtk > tool in order to minimize the number of dependencies, but the concept is the > right one. > Ebox is a web gui, i can't see why a gtk ui is easier to use, almost all appliance on the market ships with a web gui. IMO a gtk ui, means that your server needs a keyboard/mouse/display and that you can't easily administer it remotely without things like vnc or nx. With a web gui, you only need a browser, and you don't even have to know that it's linux behind it. > > -- > > > Loye Young > Isaac & Young Computer Company > Laredo, Texas > > -- Sebastien Estienne -- ubuntu-server mailing list [email protected] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server More info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam
