FYI - this affects ubuntu-server and the virtual builds also. The question of why sound stuff was in the jeos system came up often. This makes sense offhand to me....
Neal McBurnett http://mcburnett.org/neal/ ----- Forwarded message from Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ----- To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: alsa-* moved to desktop Mail-Followup-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm moving alsa-base and alsa-utils from the minimal seed to desktop-common following a conversation on #ubuntu-devel. I thought the rationale might be interesting to copy here for the record. <mtaylor> um... why does ubuntu-minimal depend on alsa-base alsa-utils? Do I really need sound on a minimal system? <crimsun_> that point has been raised several times. <mtaylor> ok <mtaylor> any chance there's a ranting web page explaining the choice somewhere? <crimsun_> I don't know offhand. <Nafallo> crimsun_: what's your opinion on that one? :-) <Nafallo> just curious <crimsun_> it should be at most Recommends. * mtaylor thinks that if we think sound is an integral part of the system, there should be an alternate ubuntu-server package one can install ... <Nafallo> yea. of standard :-) <mtaylor> Nafallo++ <Nafallo> mtaylor: all servers are diverse and different. so I don't believe in a server seed <mtaylor> Nafallo: I don't really either... <mtaylor> Nafallo: I'm just saying that if minimal is going to stick desktop need in... I would like a server thing that doesn't have them <Nafallo> hehe <cjwatson> mtaylor: the reason we put that stuff in ubuntu-minimal is because alsa-* is needed for stability of hardware detection <mtaylor> cjwatson: wow. really? <cjwatson> mtaylor: all possible server profiles are by design supersets of minimal <cjwatson> we certainly won't be offering anything that's less than that <mtaylor> cjwatson: I would certainly expect them to be supersets of minimal <cjwatson> I would like to see stuff organised such that we didn't need alsa-* in minimal for stability though <mtaylor> I would agree. <mtaylor> I can understand their existence there for that reason - but I would suggest that it's a bug in hardware detection that that is the case <cjwatson> it's not as important as it used to be, actually <cjwatson> it used to be that the installer was two-stage; after installing a minimal system, it rebooted to install everything else, and then dropped you into the final system without rebooting again <cjwatson> so, if stuff like alsa-base that provides /etc/modprobe.d files and alsa-utils that provides udev rules weren't installed in the first pass, your first boot would be different from all the rest <cjwatson> however, in dapper, we finally got the installer reorganised so that it could all operate in a single stage <cjwatson> so I think there is now a case for moving alsa-* to desktop <cjwatson> crimsun_: what do you think? <crimsun_> cjwatson: agreed. Thanks, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel ----- End forwarded message ----- -- ubuntu-server mailing list [email protected] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server More info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam
