[EMAIL PROTECTED]: As for LTS, of course LTS is what really matters. However, I think it could be done to have a working skeleton of the program (if we write it from scratch) or even more if we use ebox/webmin by 9.04. 10.04 (Loopy Lynx) will definitely need a program such as one we are dicussing here.
With eBox's "bloat": Was that when you installed all modules, or just the defaults? I'm not familiar with it, but I know it is a flexible program. P.S. sorry for emailing only you on accident. Gmail doesn't handle mailing lists intuitively. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: As far as the X problem you mention, you have a point. However, what about piping the X functions through SSH to a remote machine if you want a GUI? You don't HAVE to install X on the server, right? On 6/5/08, Miano, Steven M. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Just a server admins pov: > > >GUI for administration: There is still the webmin vs. eBox question.I > >honestly haven't used eBox, and it's been a while since I tampered with > >webmin (I don't have internet at home for my server...) but the opints made > >were: > >--Webmin can break config files, and is more low level > >--eBox is higher level, and has its own configuration files... I forget > the >problem with it. > > Webmin: > > Coming from HP-UX, I can honestly say that a GUI is much more appealing to > younger system administrators. I've been administrating servers now for > about eight years, and would say that a GUI can be both a hindrance and a > blessing. I would hope that what ever the end result is that there is an > option/switch during the install to go with a CLI environment only, or to > optionally add the GUI for those that would prefer/want it. > > When I initially started working with Ubuntu I was directed towards Webmin > on 6.06, and 6.06.1. Webmin was a simple tar/gz file that was installed in > minutes and easy to access manipulate. > > Ebox: > > After two years of working on Ubuntu I've given up on Webmin preferring to > access my configurations through SSH and hand-jamming if it's needed. Just > recently the e-box name kept on sprouting up and curiosity catching the cat > had me run: sudo apt-get install ebox. I immediately aborted the install > after seeing all of the 64 packages that would be required along side it. > > I run linux servers so that I know what I have on the system (bloat less), > having to install a slew of packages is highly dissuading to a server admin > in my opinion. > > >Timeframe: 9.04 seems reasonable. This is almost a year to get a > reasonable >beta product out, whether we're making our own or modifying > webmin/eBox. >Intrepid is too close, as people are working on the first > "point" for Hardy >as well, and there are only 5 months til release. > > Honestly most of the server/system administrators that I know would not > update/upgrade OS's between LTS, so the push for Intrepid Ibis, or even 9.04 > seems rushed, for betas, or zero points that would be great - especially for > the home users, but directed toward commercial (small/medium), the LTS would > really be the deal maker/breaker. In my mind if there is a slip-streamed, > small footprint GUI (be it web or app based), the LTS should be the end > goal. > > >One question I have: Is a web interface really the way to go? Will > >enterprise users go for having to have a web server to run admin services? > >In my personal view, it would be more reasonable to develop a program for > >Ubuntu that could have a GUI front made for it. An actual program is more > >pro than a web interface. > > Right now the landscape project through canonical is also a web-based gui > for server admins with 5+ servers under their areas of responsibilities and > should also be researched for its value as well. > > >Try to input on everything you feel you can contribute to (suggestions, > >help, etc.) Thanks. > > I apologize if I'm pushing filler on the list, but just thought I'd throw > my .02 in here for you guys. I'm sure there are many others in my situation > with the same paradigm. > > Cheers, > > Steven > (MianoSM) > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail may contain information that is > privileged, confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are > not the intended recipient of this e-mail, please notify the sender > immediately by return e-mail, purge it and do not disseminate or copy it. > -- Luke L. -- Luke L.
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