On Saturday 28 June 2008 13:02, Luke L wrote: > On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 7:26 AM, Mario Spinthiras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > My 2p, > > > > You don't need a higher layer on top of ubuntu or any other Linux > > distro to handle your linux distro. The thought only complicates an > > admin's life and is unecessary. As for a GUI , stick to windows if you > > feel a GUI is appropriate. People with Linux have done just fine with > > an "as is" approach to the UI and it's not going to change whatever > > you say or do. > > You're one of "those"... Listen, Linux is powerful and can do anything > you want it to do in terms of software (Except play Supreme Commander) > from the command line. We are all aware. But GUIs really can and do > help productivity with increasingly complicated tasks. A GUI or > "Server Console", as the term is coined, is an abstraction layer to > help make the system more integrated and easy to manage. > > Ubuntu's goal is to be a Linux distribution for the masses, for the > desktop AND server; to make things easy and understandable without > compromising power. The server console is a part of this, and I fully > believe it will be developed as some of our programmers are done with > this hectic 6-month period. > > Finally, don't EVER tell people "Use Windows for a GUI". That is a > misguided statement that does not take into consideration of the other > MANY reasons why someone would be using a Linux box over a Windows > one.
I think both of you have your points, but are rather missing what nxvl is trying to accomplish. Personally I have about half a dozen servers that I manage related to my business. I can, and do, ssh into each one and do "stuff" to administer them. This is a good and right way to do Linux 'stuff'. I encourage admins to know how to do this and not be dependent on a GUI even if one is available. This is not the problem that (as I understand it) nxvl is trying to work on. If I had 1,000 web servers running on blades with a SAN backend, then I have to administer them completely differently. What we do not have at all is higher level tools to manage large sets of servers effectively. This, I think, is the problem space he's working in. Scott K -- ubuntu-server mailing list [email protected] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server More info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam
