On Wed, 2011-03-30 at 01:10 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: > There does not seem to be a lot of overlap between people interested in > working on traditional server systems and cloud systems. There is also not a > lot of overlap in the package selection. > > It would clear up confusion if Server were separate from Cloud. Cloud is > more > of an alternate platform than and end of itself. >
There are really two things that "cloud" can mean. There is cloud host, and cloud guest. In main, I don't see anything that is cloud guest specific beyond cloud-init (which, it turns out, is useful on servers too as we can use it with a provisioning system to pre-configure a system beyond what preseeding can do). There is far more that is server only because bits of infrastructure are abstracted away for cloud guests. For creating a Cloud Host, there is Eucalyptus. Presumably, Openstack would like to be in main and on equal footing with Eucalyptus as well. Other than these two, what would warrant a separate product? What about these two compromises the server product, other than CD space? Also these are really just services that run on a server (albeit, very heavy ones), so all the other great stuff in server is highly complimentary to them. I do think its worthwhile to think about having a DVD/USB image with the cloud hosting options, and then the CD can have more critical stuff on it that focuses on installing the server OS and integrating it into a network. This is one reason we've been putting time into the Ubuntu Orchestra idea, which is meant to help people deploy Ubuntu on a network, presumably without putting CDs or DVDs in individual servers and camping out by the keyboard/monitor. The workflow there is to simply download the iso to your cobbler server, import it, and then do your installs over the network. If that works really well, I could see it being even easier to justify having a DVD iso for those users who want to deploy a private cloud, and then the smaller CD which just helps you get a simple server, or Orchestra going. -- ubuntu-server mailing list [email protected] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server More info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam
