I am completely dismayed by Ralf Mardorf comments. So :
- I previously posted this wallpaper the 6th September on the dev-list, its a little late (strange ?) to post such a negative remark on this work few hours between the freeze. - About the concept : its a damn and a little bit "cliché" wallpaper. Just the ubuntu COF logo whose certainly indeed a huge symbol of fanaticism : http://askubuntu.com/questions/42724/whats-the-meaning-of-the-ubuntu-logo-where-does-it-come-fromand "ubuntu studio" text using a square font called "Basica" : now maybe any right angle induce a "neo-nazi" feel by your side ? - My family was both victim of nazis and communists, the horrors I heard constructed my fundamentals and a huge reject of any kind of extremisms, so unlike many people, its not just a comfortable "mind set" by my side. Any kind of extremisms are grounded on simple thoughts and observations : manicheism is a part of it. I consider my self as an humanist and militates for a thing whose seams to be rare in our time : a complex tough. - I took a look on the "golden dawn" symbol from the link you added (I am sorry I don't know it "through by through")...so what ?...try to add a circle on it and find a combination who could match with this wallpaper. For conclude : - There is a saying who means : "who never commit the evil don't know what it is". Thats why I don't understand this kind of comments. Regards. madeinkobaia Digital Artist -Ubuntu Studio Art Team Leader 2013/9/18 <[email protected]> > Send ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of ubuntu-studio-devel digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Ubuntu Studio 13.10 - Default wallpaper proposition RC1 (Zak) > 2. Re: Ubuntu Studio 13.10 - Default wallpaper proposition RC1 > (Ralf Mardorf) > 3. Re: Ubuntu Studio 13.10 - Default wallpaper proposition RC1 > ([email protected]) > 4. Re: Ubuntu Studio 13.10 - Default wallpaper proposition RC1 > ([email protected]) > 5. 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Re: Ubuntu Studio 13.10 - Default wallpaper > proposition RC1 > ([email protected]) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 14:20:23 +0200 > From: Zak <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Ubuntu Studio 13.10 - Default wallpaper > proposition RC1 > Message-ID: > <CAMioq8xvbt-5YpcY52MU_tGmWRY+Ug7Ezux= > [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi fellows, > > Here the RC2 version for the 13.10 default wallpaper : > > http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-art/ubuntustudio-resources/art/view/head:/ubuntu-studio_1310_RC2_wallpaper_01_a_-_by_madeinkobaia.png > > New things on this RC2 version : > - I added volume and relief effects in the COF area. > - I added a gradient effect on "ubuntu" text. > > Cheers, > > madeinkobaia > Digital Artist - Ubuntu Studio Art Team Leader > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-devel/attachments/20130918/1b4ae8df/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 15:09:36 +0200 > From: Ralf Mardorf <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Ubuntu Studio 13.10 - Default > wallpaper proposition RC1 > Message-ID: <1379509776.716.13.camel@archlinux> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > > > On Wed, 2013-09-18 at 14:20 +0200, Zak wrote: > > > http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-art/ubuntustudio-resources/art/view/head:/ubuntu-studio_1310_RC2_wallpaper_01_a_-_by_madeinkobaia.png > > I would remove the barcode, it's disgusting, smells like capitalism. > Take care that the covered letters can't be misinterpreted when taking a > brief look, in this case e.g. with the sign of the "Golden Dawn", > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Dawn_(Greece) and other possible > variations of the swastika. > > Apart from this I like it. > > 2 Cents, > Ralf > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 19:02:12 +0100 > From: [email protected] > To: "Ubuntu Studio Development & Technical Discussion" > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Ubuntu Studio 13.10 - Default > wallpaper proposition RC1 > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Any mistaken association with the Golden Dawn would be enough to make > a LOT of enemies, most of my friends included. I've met people from > Greece who have fought in street battles against the Golden Dawn > at considerable risk of personal harm, even death. I have marched > against the Golden Dawn myself in a Washington DC solidarity protest. > > In addition, Ubuntu as a whole has had a prior problem with symbol > misinterpretation. The 3 person circle of friends was do doubt drawn up > without knowledge that the KKK in the United States sometimes uses > a circle divided into quarters, with 8 dots representing eyes in the heads > of 4 > hooded Klansmen looking down a manhole at someone they have just > murdered. I've seen the KKK symbol done with 3 heads instead of 3 as > well, even just as three of their murderous hoods looking down the > hole. > > The Ubuntu symbol is enough different (heads on outside) that serious > trouble > was averted, but it is something I have heard discussed by fellow > activists, > mostly Ubuntu users themselves but one on FreeBSD. A second and new > controversy of this type could be extremely destructive, especially if the > South Africa connection was thus thought to be to the Boer history there. > > Interestingly, an early, superseded Golden Dawn symbol looked not only > like a > swastika, but also like the above-mentioned KKK "circle of murderers." > That one > appeared on their first magazine cover in 1980. > > No part of the Ubuntu ecosystem will benefit from a new use, accidental or > otherwise, of any symbol or image that can be mistaken as or modified into > a symbol of the racist far right. > > On 09/18/2013 at 9:09 AM, "Ralf Mardorf" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > >On Wed, 2013-09-18 at 14:20 +0200, Zak wrote: > >> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-art/ubuntustudio- > >resources/art/view/head:/ubuntu-studio_1310_RC2_wallpaper_01_a_- > >_by_madeinkobaia.png > > > >I would remove the barcode, it's disgusting, smells like > >capitalism. > >Take care that the covered letters can't be misinterpreted when > >taking a > >brief look, in this case e.g. with the sign of the "Golden Dawn", > >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Dawn_(Greece) and other > >possible > >variations of the swastika. > > > >Apart from this I like it. > > > >2 Cents, > >Ralf > > > > > > > >-- > >ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list > >[email protected] > >Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > >https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 19:06:40 +0100 > From: [email protected] > To: "Ubuntu Studio Development & Technical Discussion" > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Ubuntu Studio 13.10 - Default > wallpaper proposition RC1 > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > The part of the image that could most easily be mistaken for the > Golden Dawn modified Swastika is the "S" in "Studio." Most likely > someone would not notice this until it was partially covered by an > open window, then they might be furious. > > My advice is to change the font of the large text to remove the > Golden Dawn similarities, and lose the barcode. The defaut > wallpaper is what everyone sees when they try out or first install > a distro, it must not be deemed offensive by anyone. > > On 09/18/2013 at 2:02 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > > >Any mistaken association with the Golden Dawn would be enough to > >make > >a LOT of enemies, most of my friends included. I've met people > >from > >Greece who have fought in street battles against the Golden Dawn > >at considerable risk of personal harm, even death. I have marched > >against the Golden Dawn myself in a Washington DC solidarity > >protest. > > > >In addition, Ubuntu as a whole has had a prior problem with symbol > >misinterpretation. The 3 person circle of friends was do doubt > >drawn up > >without knowledge that the KKK in the United States sometimes uses > >a circle divided into quarters, with 8 dots representing eyes in > >the heads of 4 > >hooded Klansmen looking down a manhole at someone they have just > >murdered. I've seen the KKK symbol done with 3 heads instead of 3 > >as > >well, even just as three of their murderous hoods looking down the > >hole. > > > >The Ubuntu symbol is enough different (heads on outside) that > >serious trouble > >was averted, but it is something I have heard discussed by fellow > >activists, > >mostly Ubuntu users themselves but one on FreeBSD. A second and > >new > >controversy of this type could be extremely destructive, > >especially if the > >South Africa connection was thus thought to be to the Boer history > >there. > > > >Interestingly, an early, superseded Golden Dawn symbol looked not > >only like a > >swastika, but also like the above-mentioned KKK "circle of > >murderers." That one > >appeared on their first magazine cover in 1980. > > > >No part of the Ubuntu ecosystem will benefit from a new use, > >accidental or > >otherwise, of any symbol or image that can be mistaken as or > >modified into > >a symbol of the racist far right. > > > >On 09/18/2013 at 9:09 AM, "Ralf Mardorf" <ralf.mardorf@alice- > >dsl.net> wrote: > >> > >>On Wed, 2013-09-18 at 14:20 +0200, Zak wrote: > >>> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-art/ubuntustudio- > >>resources/art/view/head:/ubuntu-studio_1310_RC2_wallpaper_01_a_- > >>_by_madeinkobaia.png > >> > >>I would remove the barcode, it's disgusting, smells like > >>capitalism. > >>Take care that the covered letters can't be misinterpreted when > >>taking a > >>brief look, in this case e.g. with the sign of the "Golden Dawn", > >>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Dawn_(Greece) and other > >>possible > >>variations of the swastika. > >> > >>Apart from this I like it. > >> > >>2 Cents, > >>Ralf > >> > >> > >> > >>-- > >>ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list > >>[email protected] > >>Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > >>https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel > > > > > >-- > >ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list > >[email protected] > >Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > >https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 20:15:20 +0200 > From: Ralf Mardorf <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Ubuntu Studio 13.10 - Default > wallpaper proposition RC1 > Message-ID: <1379528120.2464.16.camel@archlinux> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > On Wed, 2013-09-18 at 19:02 +0100, [email protected] wrote: > [snip] > > It's an issue for design, the native swastika isn't an evil symbol, but > we all know that idiots made it a symbol for idiocy and evil. I didn't > know that the KKK has a symbol close to the COF. Can you post a link? > > The problem with the wallpaper is, that it's dark and perception could > play a prank. I'm uncertain, if this is a serious issue, or if we can > ignore this. When taking an extensive look at the wallpaper, it's clear > that it has nothing to do with the Golden Dawn and btw. I'm a dyslexic, > this is a perceptual disorder regarding to signs, such as letters and > seemingly for other symbols too. > > Perhaps my perception is not a good reference. How do you value the > wallpaper? > > Regards, > Ralf > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 20:18:44 +0200 > From: Ralf Mardorf <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Ubuntu Studio 13.10 - Default > wallpaper proposition RC1 > Message-ID: <1379528324.2464.18.camel@archlinux> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > On Wed, 2013-09-18 at 19:06 +0100, [email protected] wrote: > > The part of the image that could most easily be mistaken for the > > Golden Dawn modified Swastika is the "S" in "Studio." > > I guess we didn't see the same wallpaper :D. It was the background of an > "u" that confused me, there isn't a visible "s" on my screen :D. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 19:31:28 +0100 > From: [email protected] > To: "Ubuntu Studio Development & Technical Discussion" > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Ubuntu Studio 13.10 - Default > wallpaper proposition RC1 > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Right now I Startpage cannot find a link to that symbol. My search > skills, though, > leave much to be desired. > > I've seen this "KKK circle" in bathroom graffiti, heard it discussed in > person, but never seen it online. > It is different, though only by a little, from the KKK's official symbol > which is a circle with a heavy > cross in it and a drop of blood in the center. It symbolizes four Klansmen > looking down a manhole > at a person who they have just murdered, but apparently is not an OFFICAL > Klan symbol. I don't > think ANY of my African-American friends would not know exactly what it is. > > To draw the symbol in question, first draw a circle, then quarter it. Mark > 8 dots near the center, > so each quarter resembles eyeholes in a hood. I first encountered this in > high school, seen it > come up from time to time, last heard about it when the "Circle of > Friends" issue came up > around 2007, along with the "kkkubuntu" jokes inspired by the symbol and > the Kubuntu name. > > On 09/18/2013 at 2:15 PM, "Ralf Mardorf" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > >On Wed, 2013-09-18 at 19:02 +0100, [email protected] wrote: > >[snip] > > > >It's an issue for design, the native swastika isn't an evil > >symbol, but > >we all know that idiots made it a symbol for idiocy and evil. I > >didn't > >know that the KKK has a symbol close to the COF. Can you post a > >link? > > > >The problem with the wallpaper is, that it's dark and perception > >could > >play a prank. I'm uncertain, if this is a serious issue, or if we > >can > >ignore this. When taking an extensive look at the wallpaper, it's > >clear > >that it has nothing to do with the Golden Dawn and btw. I'm a > >dyslexic, > >this is a perceptual disorder regarding to signs, such as letters > >and > >seemingly for other symbols too. > > > >Perhaps my perception is not a good reference. How do you value the > >wallpaper? > > > >Regards, > >Ralf > > > > > >-- > >ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list > >[email protected] > >Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > >https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 19:32:29 +0100 > From: [email protected] > To: "Ubuntu Studio Development & Technical Discussion" > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Ubuntu Studio 13.10 - Default > wallpaper proposition RC1 > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > The "S" is on the far left, just right of the the vertical "Ubuntu" letters > > On 09/18/2013 at 2:19 PM, "Ralf Mardorf" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > >On Wed, 2013-09-18 at 19:06 +0100, [email protected] wrote: > >> The part of the image that could most easily be mistaken for the > >> Golden Dawn modified Swastika is the "S" in "Studio." > > > >I guess we didn't see the same wallpaper :D. It was the background > >of an > >"u" that confused me, there isn't a visible "s" on my screen :D. > > > > > > > >-- > >ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list > >[email protected] > >Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > >https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel > > > > > ------------------------------ > > -- > ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list > [email protected] > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel > > > End of ubuntu-studio-devel Digest, Vol 77, Issue 13 > *************************************************** >
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