On 2014-11-22 18:04, Michael Bauer wrote:
> Sgrìobh [email protected] na leanas
> 22/11/2014 aig 12:00:
>> Hi Michael, Trying to understand the nature of the problem. Even if
>> it doesn't sound like a translation matter, it would be good if you
>> could clarify a few things.
> 
> Well, l10n goes a bit further to my mind than just translation but
> sure, I'll clarify :)

I think the scope of this list is narrowed to translations rather than
everything l10n, but let's disregard that in this case and keep talking.

>> What is force-locale?
> 
> The bit that looks at your system locale settings and forces other 
> applications which are not part of the system to display the UI in
> that locale. On Ubuntu, that would be the settings under Language
> Support forcing non-Ubuntu stuff like Firefox or GIMP to come up in
> the specified language. In other words, the bit that removes control
> over the UI language from the user, by and large.

Ok. Personally I wouldn't call it "force", since it's respective
application that it's designed to use a display language in accordance
with the current locale.

> Usually both of us consider shipping a locale when it is reasonably
> complete.

Thinking of Skype? ;)

> As gd seems reasonably complete:
> 
> https://translations.documentfoundation.org/gd/
> 
> we might add it to the shipped locales.

If I understand it correctly, you say that there is a more updated gd
translation available than what's currently shipped with the
libreoffice-l10n-gd package. If that's the case, I would suggest that
you file a bug against the libreoffice-l10n package.

>> Yes, Language Support is the tool in Ubuntu to make sure that all 
>> language support packages for the languages you selected to install
>> are available. That's not handled via package dependencies. The
>> Software Updater is involved for upgrading already installed
>> language support packages, but not to identify missing ditto.
> 
> Bit of a gap I'd say, no?

I agree.

>> Which constant reverting of programs to English? Are you saying
>> that language support packages are silently uninstalled often?
> 
> Yes, frequently. It was too quick to screenshot but I *saw* the 
> uninstaller uninstalling the gd langpacks for Firefox and it's not
> the first time it has done this, over the last 3 years it has
> happened to me at least 3 times and GunChleoc, the other Gaelic
> localizer, has also had this problem (she actually filed a bug I just
> heard 
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1395273). It
> may do it to other packages too but Firefox is usually the first one
> I notice it with.

I have also been surprised a few times when opening Language Support and
noticing that Firefox translations were suddenly missing, so apparently
they were silently uninstalled at some point. Can't tell when or why.

The update of missing language support packages, which is carried out
when you open the Language Support GUI, can be accomplished with this
terminal command:

sudo apt-get install $(check-language-support)

I have played with the thought to propose that something along those
lines is carried out via Software Updater. Suspect that such a change
wouldn't be completely uncontroversial, though.

-- 
Gunnar Hjalmarsson
https://launchpad.net/~gunnarhj

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