Tim Dobson wrote:
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> RMS Video:
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> The video of last week's Manchester Free Software, (in collaboration 
> with the BCS and IET) talk by Richard Stallman has been released, thanks 
> to Andrew John Hughes.
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> You can find a torrent and http mirrors for the video on the Manchester 
> Free Software Website.
> Where possible, please use the torrent. :)
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> For more information please visit:
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> http://manchester.fsuk.org/blog/2008/05/06/free-software-in-ethics-and-society-richard-stallman-manchester-1st-may/
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> Please forward this to any other lists where you think it might be of 
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Thanks for this. I've finally had the time to watch it, I found it very 
entertaining and interesting. I've never heard a talk by Richard 
Stallman, he clearly does that sort of thing a lot and has some very 
well laid out and convincing arguments.

I am interested in particular in the relationship between software 
freedom, copyright and patenting. There seems to be a problem here in a 
clash between the rights of the users and the rights of the 
creators/inventors. I agree that it is right for users to be in control 
of the software that they own, and that a part of that is the 
requirement that they should be able to obtain the help of others in 
getting that control by providing copies of the code both modified and 
not to allow others to help them modify it to do what they want (if it 
doesn't already!).

However, I am also in favour of credit being given where it's due, and 
allowing creators/inventors to profit from their work. If someone has 
put in the time and effort to create or improve something that other 
people would like to use, surely they should be allowed to profit from it.

Now I know free software does not mean "free as in beer", so it is 
perfectly possible for creators/inventors to profit from their work by 
charging a fee for it initially. However once it has been bought by one 
person, who is then free to distribute it and modify it, there is no 
guarantee that the original creator can obtain anything further.

So, in order for the effort to be worthwhile for the original creator 
and consequently to encourage other people to try and create/invent 
things that other people want to use/enjoy there has to be some 
mechanism for them to profit from their work.

In his talk Richard mentions several ways that this could be achieved 
for free software. He mentions the fact that developers could provide 
support, at cost, for the software, much like canonical do for ubuntu. 
However this is not rewarding the original work, this is rewarding the 
additional effort of supporting the software, expended above and beyond 
the original effort to develop the software in the first place.

So copyright and patenting has been developed to ensure that 
creators/inventors can profit from their work. I agree that this has 
probably gone too far, in that it is restricting users' freedoms in the 
case of software. So Richard's solution to ensure people's freedom is to 
reject the idea of copyright, but that leaves us in a situation that 
prevents us from being able to ensure that creators get what they deserve.

I have no solution for this, I have a dilemma in that I agree in the 4 
freedoms Richard defines in his talk, they are based on good fundamental 
principles, but I also can see that those freedoms could prevent the 
creators from duly profiting from their work, which I also think is 
important. I believe that useful work should not go unrewarded, it 
allows the originator to go on and produce more good work and provides 
an incentive for others to attempt to produce good work.

So, if any of you got this far, what are people's opinions on this? 
Should I just accept that creators/inventors need to find other ways of 
earning money and only work on these things as a hobby as Richard seems 
to suggest? Or should the apparent conflict between the freedoms and my 
view that the creator should profit from their work cause me to reject 
some/all of them? Is there a solution I have missed? Is there a 
reasonable compromise?

Tom

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