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Re: OT CPU Advice (Seb Ward) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Re: OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Re: OT CPU Advice (gav) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Re: OT CPU Advice (Chris Coulson) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5. Re: OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6. Re: OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7. Re: OT CPU Advice (gav) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8. Re: OT CPU Advice (Darren Mansell) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 1 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:05:04 +0100 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Seb Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> URL: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20081201/573bffc7/attachment-0001.htm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:52:42 +0000 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delsp=yes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost) the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> money >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> built >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec was: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Decent Abit mainboard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AMD Athlon X2 4200+ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2GB Corsair standard stuff >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID 0, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rocks) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dual layer DVD-+RW >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 19" wide HannsG monitor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make sure I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> got >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> liked >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Abit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ago, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remember if it was posted here. I'm just a bit dubious now. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm currently running an Athlon X2 3800+ and that seems >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quick >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (I did have a Phenom X4 9600 but it died over the weekend and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Athlon X2 was the only thing I had which could chuck in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> board). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could also recommend the Pentium Dual Core chips as they're >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty quick (I had one before upgrading to the Phenom, it's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sitting in my wife's PC). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 3 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:11:46 +0000 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "gav" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 01:52:42PM +0000, Rob Beard wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm currently running an Athlon X2 3800+ and that seems >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quick >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (I did have a Phenom X4 9600 but it died over the weekend >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Athlon X2 was the only thing I had which could chuck in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> board). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could also recommend the Pentium Dual Core chips as they're >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty quick (I had one before upgrading to the Phenom, it's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sitting in my wife's PC). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've not really found a massive multi-core chip to be needed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> modern >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux desktop, recently I've moved over to an Atom processor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> desktop, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this board: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/147222 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Works beautifully under Ubuntu and Debian for me and the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whole >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> runs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with an 80W power supply, rather than the hundreds of Watts >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> big >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rig >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machines use. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gav Ford >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://revford.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think we need to: Reverse the polarity of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> communications >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> circuit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Name: not available >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Type: application/pgp-signature >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Size: 197 bytes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Desc: Digital signature >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Url : >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20081201/5e3cc570/attachment-0001.pgp >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:21:15 +0000 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Chris Coulson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "British Ubuntu Talk" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2008/12/1 Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost) the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > same >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > money >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > built >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec was: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Decent Abit mainboard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > AMD Athlon X2 4200+ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 2GB Corsair standard stuff >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID 0, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > rocks) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > dual layer DVD-+RW >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 19" wide HannsG monitor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make sure >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > got >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > good >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > always >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > liked >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Abit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > experience. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > They >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > still >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > do. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ago, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remember if it was posted here. I'm just a bit dubious now. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're probably referring to this: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> URL: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20081201/edf17f68/attachment-0001.htm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 5 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:43:17 +0000 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris Coulson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're probably referring to this: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah that was it. TBH, there's not much difference in price >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some of the Foxconn boards and other boards from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MSI/Gigabite/ASUS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 6 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:46:54 +0000 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gav wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've not really found a massive multi-core chip to be needed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> modern >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux desktop, recently I've moved over to an Atom processor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> desktop, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this board: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/147222 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Works beautifully under Ubuntu and Debian for me and the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whole >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> runs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with an 80W power supply, rather than the hundreds of Watts >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> big >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rig >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machines use. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I guess it depends on what you use your machine for. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *could* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of all 4 cores on the Phenom but not very often, juging by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> monitor the majority of the time most of the cores were sat >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idle >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about 1.2GHz and it was only specific things I did that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more than two cores. I do however sometimes tax the system >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think an Atom would meet my needs. If I didn't play HD video >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other half's PC then an Atom would probably do her. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm considering an Atom Dual Core for my server (it's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an Athlon 1400) although I'm not sure what to do after >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reading >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this.... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-atom-efficiency,2069.html >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 7 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 19:10:54 +0000 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "gav" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 04:46:54PM +0000, Rob Beard wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm considering an Atom Dual Core for my server (it's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an Athlon 1400) although I'm not sure what to do after >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reading >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this.... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-atom-efficiency,2069.html >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Atom seems to work fine for DVD playback, if that helps >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> judge >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the video side of things, I use an external USB DVD on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machine. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've no interest in BluRay yet so I can't tell you how it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> handles >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From that review, it looks like the chipset it holding the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Atom >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4W >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the processor but 22W for the chipset seems backwards. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chipset is well supported under Linux, especially the hassle >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> open >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> driver 3D support. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gav Ford >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://revford.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think we need to: Repair the kettle flow >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Name: not available >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Type: application/pgp-signature >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Size: 197 bytes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Desc: Digital signature >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Url : >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20081201/182e8b0c/attachment-0001.pgp >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 8 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:50:11 +0000 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Darren Mansell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:21:15 +0000, "Chris Coulson" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2008/12/1 Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost) the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > same >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > money >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > built >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > was: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Decent Abit mainboard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > AMD Athlon X2 4200+ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 2GB Corsair standard stuff >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 0, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > rocks) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > dual layer DVD-+RW >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 19" wide HannsG monitor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make sure >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > got >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > good >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > always >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > liked >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Abit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > experience. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > They >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > still >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > do. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ago, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remember if it was posted here. I'm just a bit dubious >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're probably referring to this: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very interesting. Back in my R+D days for a used-to-be well >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> known >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> british >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PC manufacturer I had to do a lot with Windows WHQL testing. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WHQL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Windows >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hardware Quality Labs) is basically Microsoft paying hardware >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> manufacturers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to break support for Linux or any other OS. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are test suites called the HCT tests. The mainboard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BIOS, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VGA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> card >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BIOS, optical firmwares etc all had to be bodged to work with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tests. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft would give you kickbacks via the MDP (market >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> development >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> program) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if your stuff was all WHQL certified. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course every system integrator is then under pressure to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> piece >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of hardware in their PC's WHQL certified and in turn put >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pressure >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hardware manufacturers to alter the BIOS/firmware to make it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows HCT. As money talks they have no time left to look at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's all just another way Microsoft have to make Linux look >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cheap >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> joke. 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