On 13/10/2010 12:08, John Matthews wrote:
On 13/10/10 11:49, chris cundy wrote:
I think the point of any Linux desktop distro is not that everything
will work perfectly with every combination of hardware available but
to work with most hardware. The issue with computer users is not that
they can't solve problems or get a particular setup working how they
would like, its that they won't try. We have become too happy to
rely on others to do all our thinking.
I too have come across problems with Graphic and Wifi cards yet I
appreciate the time and effort people have put in to create a
wonderful free product or to assist fools like me in forums. One day
I hope that my mucking about might be able to assist the wider
community. I'm excited that broad comm has released an open source
driver, and when I have time I will be swearing at some of my older
laptops as I try to make them work on Wifi with Ubuntu and the new
driver.
As for the problem with the NVidia cards, install the driver :)
I am lucky (not that the wife would agree) that I have vast amounts
of Graphics cards laying about, so if I do bump up against a problem
I will swap out until I find a card that works and use that instead.
Failing that I will install FreeNX and just connect remotely and
debug/install from a different machine.
Obviously using the CD to check if your hardware setup will work is
great. Its a shame you can't do that with Windows... (someone is
bound to tell me I'm wrong about that). I have spent less time
chasing down bugs and fixing incompatibles under Ubuntu then I did
under XP (or 3.11). Ubuntu has pushed Linux into the general public
view and is almost ready to be a solution for all. If my
Mum/Dad/Wife/Grandparents can get to grips with it then I'm confidant
that one day it will give Microsoft/Apple some great competition.
Chris
Unix Support/Linux Liker/Windows Acceptor
This is what I find unacceptable with Ubuntu, the fact that those in
the know, always say, we get fed of people not trying. Its not about
not trying, this guy has just said how he has tried, and cant get his
Ubuntu to work. Those who know, always seem to be those that stand
there and say Ubuntu is easy, easier than windows. If it was easy, and
easier than windows, why did so many people, when the big drive a few
years back to to have Ubuntu preinstalled, take their computers back.
I know in places like Dixons and Curries' which is where I bought my
Netbook, the guys behind the counter told me they got most of them
back, because people couldnt even get their internet connection to
work, showds that was a waste of time. So saying, preinstalled Ubuntu
would make a difference, I think you'll find those that did sell
preinstalled, would tell you different.
I know my experiences tell me as somebody who isnt a programmer and
who basically self taught, say it isnt easy, and, help, well, that is
another matter. There is so much and so many different things to look
for when you have Ubuntu, that its confusing to say the least.
Windows as much as I hate it, is easier to set up than Ubuntu. Ubuntu,
will start out of the box, and you might be able to surf the net, but
as far as graphics are concerned, it doesnt tell you that you have to
spend hours installing extras, not just a few things, but dozens of
things, to get the graphics working, and even then it doesnt always
work. So to say, its easier than windows, and its the users fault, I
think that is not a good thing to put over. Sorry. I have said this
myself before, it wont be program for masses.
John
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Ubuntu User #30817
Two points - on all three machines that originally came with windows
that I have installed Ubuntu (and other flavours) on, the graphics just
"worked" - I didn't need to tweak anything. I have middle of the road
machines such as might be sold to a business with "ordinary"
commonly-used graphics cards.
Secondly, I would suggest that you cannot compare the "masses"
installing Ubuntu with the "masses" installing Windows - the "masses"
have never HAD to install Windows - it comes (by and large)
pre-installed with all drivers etc etc. Just lurk on the MS forums for a
while and see all the problems THERE with users re- installing Windows
and other software.
Installing Ubuntu IS as easy as installing Windows and a darn sight
faster to get a fully-functioning machine.
Once you have installed Windows you THEN have to install your AV, you
THEN have to install Office (or whatever you use) so that's a good
DOUBLE the time Ubuntu takes....
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