Jivin Mike Frysinger lays it down ...
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 8:37 PM, David McCullough wrote:
> > Jivin Mike Frysinger lays it down ...
> >> the uClinux.org guys are just very bad at pushing anything back
> >> upstream.
> >
> > I would beg to differ :-) ??We do what we can with the small resources we
> > have while making and supporting products to pay the bills. ??We are not
> > the uClinux.org guys though, ??that would be Arcturus, we are the 
> > uClinux-dist
> > guys that you talk about below, most known as SnapGear, though we have
> > officially changed company names more times than most can remember :-)
> 
> damn, didnt you were trollin this list too ;).  yes, i was referring

Yeah, been here a long time, mostly lurking,  helps to stay in touch with
the state of things.

> to the uClinux-dist (i.e. you) and not Arcturus.  although i doubt
> anyone outside of the small groups who have actually been to Arcturus
> even knows about them.  i'd venture to guess that most everyone
> associates the two as being the same.
> 
> > There are plenty of examples of large and small scale "push-back" from us
> > at various times to the upstream projects (ie., kernel, openssl, openswan,
> > gcc, binutils, pptp and yes, uClibc at one point).
> 
> i was making my statements based on my experience with poking through
> all the packages that uclinux-dist has as i updated them in the
> blackfin uclinux-dist.  lots of patches, many not terribly clean, and
> not a mention in the upstream projects as to what's going on.

Fair judgement,  and a lot of those changes are historic (12 years) and
probably no longer even needed, very evolutionary I'm afraid.  We cleanup as
much as we can when we bring new packages in.

> > As everyone knows (or should know) getting changes merged upstream can be
> > time consuming and tedious, depending on the project and the maintainers
> > and their particular goals. ?? We have limited resources and we choose our
> > fights. ??The uClinux-dist releases are our way or reducing the load but
> > ensuring all the work we do is out there for people to find.
> 
> sorry, i didnt mean it as a slight against you, i was just stating
> "this is how it is".  you guys want to make money, so that's your
> prerogative.

Well, supporting family/eating and stuff too ;-)

> it is certainly not my place to tell you what to do or
> how to run your business.  i'm not paying you after all ;).

:-)

Cheers,
Davidm

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