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"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" ----- Original Message -----
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Subject: Re: [rwanda-l] ACCUSATIONS "RIDUCULOUS" ??? thanks you. You know, people in power in that country (Rwanda) have vertigo. I really don't blame them as they are put to high then they can take it. Mobutu and his click were once in that position. But the truth remain the truth. You wrote: " You know I can go on and on in these nonsense's of this (Doctor) ambassador, but what the heck, some of us were born in nonsense's and we are bound to die into the same, so this kind of crap we stomach each and every day." This is why, Wearing his tie, this Rwandan " Doctor" Ambassador is still believed by many of my countrymen as less than a "Congolese wearing sandals." He proved it. We are waiting the time they will be dropped down. Maybe they will even fall down by themselves (vertigo), like when Rwanda and Ouganda turn each other fighting at Kisangani while US and UK sent them into Congo as a coalision. Take care Brother. Genocide song has lost its magic... Amundala On Mon, 27 Jan 2003 01:57:49 -0500 Mulindwa Edward ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Netters Doctor Sezibera's points are very interesting, and I wonder as to whether you have taken time to study them. For example I have a real problem when the Rwandees government states and I quote "Sezibera said his government had no interest in exploiting North Kivu" I think that the Rwandese government has an economical interest in Congo, which has resulted into loses of innocent lives, and I believe that the same Rwandees government putting its army into Congo under the umblera of "We are protecting our sovereignty" is just simply Bull. The government of Rwanda is very interested into being into Congo for it is only the Rwandese government and only that government to gain. Secondly and again I quote the excellence "Protection of wanted war criminals by Kenyan government officials has ended. "They come in, using Kenya as a transit point. They are not only a danger to Rwanda, but they are also a danger to Kenya and other countries" How sure are you that it has ended? Do you have a deal with Kibaki that the rest of us do not know about? Is Rwanda today stating that President Moi has not been a friend of Rwanda? Like Idi Amin said, it is very dangerous for a land locked country to have a mouth open, for you have no guarantee what will happen in Kenya tomorrow. But here is the interesting one, For crying out loud, why is the Rwandese government interested into Kenya's arresting wanted criminals, yet it has stubbornly refused to co prate with UN into investigating its actions in Congo? It reminds me of Museveni how he used Amnesty International to attack President Obote's government yet today he calls them people who fail to face reality. Rwanda government, international law must be international law other wise you are using every body. Another quote " but I think the onus is on the Congolese themselves. All they need to do is form a government that controls the whole country." You see this is the kind of Bull that Museveni started in Uganda, The Bull of killing millions of Ugandans and you create your self to be the old man on the village advising every body after you kill their families, I mean who gave Rwanda a right to advise the Congolese people? Congo is an independent state and you know what? If Rwanda and Uganda did not go into Congo to loot, may be just may be all these problems would not have been in front of us. But you have gone in, you have killed as many people as you could, you have looted all the minerals as you wanted, now you are sitting at a Switzerland bank counter you are rubbing it in? I mean you are reminding the stupid Congolese to form a government? Another quote "For just eight convictions...and one acquittal. What are they doing?" May be just may be the people who were arrested were actually not responsible for genocide, may be they were arrested for a very simple fact that they were Hutus so every Hutu is guilty until proven innocent, ever thought about that? Recently there has been a massive release of prisoners in Rwanda, any idea why they were arrested? Are you going to pay them for damages? I am talking about people who have been in jail for nothing but their tribe, yes for you have failed to charge them since they had no offence. That is the beauty of putting the tribunal in Tanzania, that is why it was not put in Kigali. For any body with brains would wonder why only 8 people have been convicted, may be just may be we have failed to address why all those people died in Rwanda, may be the killers are walking free and we are so naively blaming the Hutus yet we have the real killers in our midst? You know I can go on and on in these nonsense's of this (Doctor) ambassador, but what the heck, some of us were born in nonsense's and we are bound to die into the same, so this kind of crap we stomach each and every day. There. I am now done you can kill me at will. Em Toronto The Mulindwas communication group "With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" ----- Original Message ----- From: sharangabo rufagari To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 7:00 PM Subject: [rwanda_revolution] ACCUSATIONS "RIDUCULOUS" SAYS RWANDA'S US ENVOY. H.E Doctor Richard SEZIBERA ambassador to the United States of America. Accusations 'Ridiculous' Says Rwanda's US Envoy January 26, 2003 Posted to the web January 26, 2003 Charles Cobb Jr. Washington, DC Charges made last week by Vital Kamerhe, the Democratic Republic of Congo's commissioner-general in charge of negotiations in the Great Lakes region, that a Rwandan-created "new militia" is waging a "war by proxy." are ridiculous and represent "incoherent reasoning" says Rwanda's ambassador to the United States, Dr. Richard Sezibera. During a Washington visit, Kamerhe complained that Hutus released by Rwanda's grassroots judicial gacaca system (designed to speed trials of those accused of taking part in the 1994 genocide) have been grouped by the Rwanda authorities and sent into Congo's North Kivu province. Kamerhe said Rwanda had sent the armed Hutus to Kivu so as to be able to argue that there are still Hutu militias in Congo that pose a threat to Rwandan security, thereby justifying any delay in Rwanda's withdrawal of troops. He also suggested that the Hutus were being sent to continue working gold and coltan mines for Rwanda. "We have released some 40,000 who have been in prison for the last eight years," Ambassador Sezibera told allAfrica.com. "They had been sentenced to eight years because they confessed. Half of that will be done as community service. We have documented that they are in Rwanda and it is ridiculous to say that they are in Congo." Sezibera said his government had no interest in exploiting North Kivu. He continued: "To say Rwanda is backing thousands of ex-FAR (former members of the Rwandan Army) and Interahamwe (Hutu militiamen operating from Congo against Rwanda)" is simply incoherent reasoning. No responsible government would release 40,000 people to get them to fight against you." The answer to the continuing civil war and exploitation in the Congo is effective government says Sezibera."If [the Congolese government] thinks resources are illegally going into Rwanda, we are willing to help as neighbors, but I think the onus is on the Congolese themselves. All they need to do is form a government that controls the whole country." And though there are "many factions" in the Congo, said Sezibera, the DRC's warring parties have reached promising agreement via the Pretoria Accord and the Inter-Congolese Dialogue. Last month they reached a Global Inclusive Agreement which should outline the framework for a transitional government. "We think they should implement what they agreed on." But while Rwanda's relationship with the DRC clearly remains sour, the relationship with Kenya is "warming progressively" now that a new government is in place in the East Africa nation. Protection of wanted war criminals by Kenyan government officials has ended. "They come in, using Kenya as a transit point. They are not only a danger to Rwanda, but they are also a danger to Kenya and other countries," said Sezibera. However, even as Kenyan help with catching war criminals responsible for the 1994 genocide improves, Sezibera declared himself and his government "frustrated" with the pace and operations of the Arusha, Tanzania-based International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda (ICTR). Since its start in 1996, there have been just eight convictions. Corruption is a huge problem in Sezibera's eyes. ICTR defense lawyers receive between US$80 and $110 per hour in legal fees, and can claim up to 175 hours per month. Defendants often ask for kickbacks from attorneys seeking to handle their cases. Last February the Court fired a defense lawyer and prevented another from representing a potential client because of fee-splitting allegations. "It's a big problem." Little value has resulted from expenditure on the ICTR, says Sezibera. In 2001, US$6.55m was spent. This jumped to US$17.11m in 2002/2003. And if this pattern continues, according to a UN administrative and budgetary committee, costs will rise another US$3.7m. "For just eight convictions...and one acquittal. What are they doing?" The ICTR has had no Chief of Prosecutions for two years. The position of deputy prosecutor has been vacant for 21 months. Nonetheless, despite low expectations about ICTR competence, Rwanda will try and stay with the process, said Sezibera. Ambassador Sezibera leaves his post at the end of February and returns to Rwanda. "It's just a regular rotation," he says. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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