I never disagreed with you less,all I was telling you
was that even per your Standard Oxford definition
the wording of the article on dictators was already
accounted for!.What you state regarding Moi
if you perused through the article was actually
so stated.
Thank you.
Kipenji.
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emmanuel musaazi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
emmanuel musaazi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Mr. Kipenji, i will not get into an argument with you over which dictionary
is superior to which because as you know in todays world if you look hard
enough you can find evidence for anything (particularly in American
dictionaries which have no standard). The point i'm trying to make is a
dictator is always a creation of the system he/she operates in. Moi is/was
dictator because he found himself in system which gave him unlimited power
and he used that authority to stiffle freedom of speech and political
_expression_. If he had wanted he should have stayed on as President of Kenya
for life. He even negotiated and gave conditions for his retirement, now
that to me rises to the threshold of a dictator.
>From: Owor Kipenji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: ugnet_: Ex-President Moi not dictator
>Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 13:31:35 +0100 (BST)
>
>Musaazi,what do you get from the setence:"uses power/
>authority in a cruel way"?.Is that not in tandem with your
>Oxfordian definition? Or since till now we are still yearning
>for the good old British days when indirect rule through the
>protectorate governments was good,we thus need to have
>verbatim what the Oxford dictionary states for a meaning
>of a word to be complete?.By the way the Oxford Dictionary
>does not contain all the words that people use in present day
>English since it got fixated by the language that was in use
>during the Victorian era.As an example could you send me
>the Oxford definition of words like:Humungous,boondoggle
>and many among others?.
>Wish you a wonderful Oxfordian day and years ahead.
>Thank you.
>Kipenji.
>=====================================================
>
>emmanuel musaazi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>Interesting, but here is the OXFORD DICTIONARY definition of a dictator:
>RULER WITH UNRESTRICTED AUTHORITY; A DOMINEERING PERSON. Cheers.
>
>
> >From: Owor Kipenji
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: ugnet_: Ex-President Moi not dictator
> >Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 22:19:06 +0100 (BST)
> >
> >There are many times that we have always called leaders
> >dictators because in so doing it assuages our own deep
> >seated hatred that we harbor about them.The article below
> >is about the retired ex-president of Kenya Mtukuffu Rais
> >Daniel Toirotich Arap Moi.I am forwarding it here for our
> >information and get the true definitions of what and who
> >dictators really are other than muddling in relative definitions
> >of the same to serve our erstwhile Xenophobias.
> >Read on.
> >Thank you.
> >Kipenji.
> >----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >Letter
> >
> >Thursday, October 2, 2003
> >---------------------------------
> >Ex-President Moi not a dictatorWas former President Moi a dictator? A
> >section of the Press has being saying so. Are they justified?
> >According to the dictionary, a dictator is "one who has obtained power
>over
> >his country by force and uses it in a cruel way."
> >The above definition does not describe Moi's leadership. On the contrary,
> >it fits well the likes of Samuel Doe of Liberia who took power in a coup
> >and was overthrown, Idi Amin of Uganda who overthrew Milton Obote,
> >Jean-Bedel Bokassa of Central African Republic, Haile Mariam Mengistu of
> >Ethiopia, Siad Barre of Somalia, Mobutu Sese Seko of the DRC, and Omar
> >Bashir of Sudan.
> >Europe, too, had Hitler of Germany who massacred six million Jews, Ozal
> >Turgut of Turkey, and Francisco Franco of Spain.
> >Asia produced Pol Pot of Kampuchea, Park Chung Hee of South Korea,
> >Ferdinand Marcos of the Philippines, and Saddam Hussein of Iraq.
> >The Americas too had theirs: General Jorge Rafael Trujillo of Argentina,
> >Fidel Castro of Cuba, and Gen Augusto Pinochet of Chile among others. The
> >list of dictators is long.
> >Dictatorship is characterised by the shedding of blood. For instance, in
> >Uganda alone, about 500,000 lost their lives. It is estimated that about
> >four million Africans have died in civil wars formented by these
>dictators.
> >Dictators have used coups and counter-coups to ascend into power, and
>they
> >start by suspending the constitution
> >On the other hand, Moi came to power constitutionally after the death of
> >Jomo Kenyatta. He surrendered power last year to Kenya's third president.
> >Are these the hallmarks of a dictator?
> >A dictator has no respect for the rule of law. Were Moi a dictator, he
> >would have refused to hand over power and declare last year's General
> >Elections null and void. Dictators have no shame. Cruelty and violence
>are
> >the only language they know.
> >Kenya's main problem is that the presidency is excessively powerful,
>which
> >promotes the existence of cliques around the incumbent that wield the
>power
> >without accountability. The problem has always been the constitution, not
> >the President.
> >The Moi of the one-party era was completely different from the Moi of the
> >multiparty era. Before multipartyism, he could detain his political
> >opponents at whim, but towards the end, he was a lot more tolerant, and
> >would stand all sorts of ridicule by the Press.
> >In short, Moi was not a dictator, just a product of his times.
> >JOHN CHERUIYOT,
> >Nairobi.
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