Mwaami Kasangwawo
You can not drag my name into your response to Kipenji and you expect me to
keep quite, so I will be very swift and fast for your disinformation can not
be left free by any Ugandan who believes in facts than people like you who
goes with the wind on Uganda's affairs. First of all how can you accuse
Kipenji of grouping people together yet your posting includes these terms
and I quote "....by thinking that you UPC people are" "....the only ones
who are capable " For you can neither prove that Kipenji made those comments
as a spokes person of a party or that my postings were and are a proof that
I hate Obuganda.
And I must respond to that issue for when a wrong is done we must not be
agitated not to report it for fear of being called Mulindwa hates Buganda,
look here I was even given an ultimatum that un less I stop to hate Buganda
and Baganda I can not be allowed back to Fednet. The second point of my
removal was my failure to condemn UPC, I was as well promised that if I talk
good about Baganda and Buganda, and destroy UPC I will be returned to
fednet. Let me quote the very paragraph as it was privately sent to me by
one of the administrator/s of Fednet and I quote:
"Bwana Mulindwa,
You and your likes were thrown out of FedsNet because you failed to
differentiate between a discussion on federalism, i.e. what federalism is
all about, and your hatred for Bu(a)ganda, everything that is not UPC etc. I
will not get tired to tell you so, and also to assert that the day you can
make that difference, you will be on the list.(Name with-held)"
That offer is still standing for I got it barely this week. It is an offer
that I think is not only patronising but dictatorial to think that one must
be good to Buganda and bad to UPC as a party to be a member of a forum which
wants to turn our nation from unitary to Federalism. And that is why I again
state that you guys agenda is not to change Uganda to Federalism, but a
fight for Buganda's expansionism.
Secondly it makes one wonder how educated people like you fail to understand
who is against Buganda. It is Yoweri Museveni, a man you guys prefer to put
in secrecy and talk about terms of our nation, as he is killing non Baganda.
And for the first time let me give you examples of how Museveni hates
Buganda. He has made sure that any body who shows leadership in Buganda is
either killed or disabled. That is why Paul Muwanga was killed, Muwanga was
arrested, tried and found innocent, but Muwanga had two problems (1) He was
a Muganda and (2) he had leadership qualities, on those two facts Muwanga
had to die. Andrew Kayiira had leadership qualities and was killed. Dr.
Lwanga had leadership qualities and was killed. Everisto Nyanzi had
leadership qualities He was arrested and maimed today if he is still alive
Nyanzi is a vegetable. Paul Ssemogerere was turned into a useless bit.
Sserwanga Lwanga was poisoned. Serra Muwanga was poisoned. Samson Kiseka a
man who even pumped his own every penny into the struggle died like a rat.
The only Muganda in the movement is Kigongo who happens to be a half
Munyarwanda. Kasangwawo be a man today and show me a list of Baganda with
leadership qualities that are still alive? How can Buganda survive under NRM
with out leadership? Now I am not going to talk about the land which is all
going away like crazy.
If you had used your head a little, you would look very attentively to how
Westerners are treated in Uganda, and in doing so you would start by
wondering why a man like Kategaya who is a true adversary of NRM today is
still alive and in Uganda. Kategaya is not only alive but they even arranged
his travel and a meeting with Museveni very recently in Eastern Uganda. Why?
Because they protect each other. And you are chasing Mulindwa for he hates
Buganda?
That is nonsense and I am sorry I can not be part of it. For common sense
states that if a wrong is done we must mention it, and it does not only
include Buganda but UPC NRM DP KY or any organisation which puts its feet on
the future of my country. And let me state this as well that as long as
fednet is a forum of Buganda expansionism I will not be part of it, for its
failure is eminent. Look here evil has never won goodness, if it had ever
happened, the pressure on Northerners by Southerners and Westerners for
twenty plus years would have eliminated them from Uganda by now. But Wapi?
So wake up my fellow Muganda and fight an enemy you know. CRAP.
Em
Toronto
The Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
Groupe de communication Mulindwas
"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
----- Original Message -----
From: "jonah kasangwawo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 7:56 AM
Subject: Re: ugnet_: They're corrupt because they're poor; dictators because
they're not democrats
> Kipenji,
>
> this is tribalist filth ! For you to group people together on the basis of
> their ethnic origin and attempt to convince netters that we all think the
> same, is nonsensical to say the least. You have been on this list for some
> time and should have been aware of the different views we have on the NRM,
> the politics in Uganda in general, etc. I therefore dismiss your
> allegations below with the contempt they deserve. Satire, my a....
>
> My permanent disagreement with Mulindwa is not about whether Mu7 is good
or
> not. It is about his blaming everything that has gone wrong in Uganda on
> Baganda (plus of course his opinion that Obote is an angel). In fact his
> standpoint is very tribalistic. As for the nubian thing, I was not the
> source of that information, it came straight from Toronto where Mulindwa
> resides.
>
> The Bukenya issue is a non-starter. The only opinions I've seen from
Baganda
> on this issue were all critical and your attempt to present this as if we
> all agree with him is just crap. Your pal Mulindwa even forwarded to this
> forum one such contribution from FedsNet (although this was done with his
> own motives). You should therefore stop patronizing us by thinking that
you
> UPC people are the only ones who know what is going on in Uganda or the
only
> ones who are capable of analysing the situation.
>
> All in all, this was a lot of baloney. I just want to caution you to stop
> talking about things you don't know. 'Obuganda' involves a lot of
> behavioural norms which you, as a non-Muganda, won't be aware of.
> If I were you I wouldn't just throw around terms whose meaning I'm not
> really acquainted with.
>
> Kasangwawo
>
> >From: Owor Kipenji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: ugnet_: They're corrupt because they're poor; dictators
> >because they're not democrats
> >Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 02:16:54 +0100 (BST)
> >
> >Mitayo,I am beginning to doubt your being what you say you are because,to
> >the Musaazis,the Kirondes ,the Lutimbas and their cohorts,
> >Mu7 was,has been ,is and will forever be the best thing that Ugandans
> >ever since the late Sir Frederick Edward Mukabya Mutesa II(RIP) had
> >in the entire decades it has existed.
> >Now you are appearing to talk like Mulindwa the nubian alias acholi alias
> >biological substance talks especially regarding Buganda whose citizens
> >have been having sound sleep ever since the Prince of Peace,none other
> >than the celebrated and certified thief and mass murderer Mu7,ushered
> >"peace" through killing countless number of people opposed to him,in
> >Uganda.
> >Mitayo,wa Nywedde Kyi?.How come you have all these 18 years not been
> >seeing Mu7 as a saviour for Uganda and Buganda in particular?Are you,a
UPC
> >sell out?.It is only disgruntled UPCs like those biological substances
from
> >the North and Eastern Uganda who keep villifying Mu7
> >because they are defeated forces who are yearning for "lost"glory,the
very
> >glory that Buganda has had since time immemorial!.The wonders that Mu7
has
> >brought to Uganda has to be recited and regurgitated all the time and in
> >all places,in the valleys,over the Mountains,in the high seas and on land
> >so that even those hard in hearing can hear.
> >Brother Mitayo,I pray that you reconsider your stated stand about Mu7
> >and his very illustrous achievements for Uganda and Buganda in
> >particular.Have you just forgotten that he has made Professor Gilbert
> >Bukenya,a Vice President so that Bukenya can "cook" Federalism for
> >Buganda?.That is why we have only to praise Mu7 and villify all what all
> >others before him did,for those others did not do so much for (B)Uganda.
> >Brother Mitayo,I hope you will make amends with Brothers Musaazi,
> >Kironde,Lutimba Matovu,Kasangwawo and others before you are bannished
from
> >the "Obuganda".
> >People like Minnini Kahangane Mulera belong in their own class of
> >opportunists.When homeboy,Kiiza Besigye was contesting for the big
> >chair,the principle was"Empiisi 'yo waanyu"Akurya Nga----.So that was
> >the big about turn for the good Dr.Many of us were not surprised because
> >with what has happened in Uganda,even when I meet a dog that talks to
me,or
> >better still some swine that wants to engage me in a conversation,
> >I will not be surprised because under the sun in Uganda everything and
> >anything is possible.
> >Brother Mitayo,I do not want to harrass you more than this but beg to
stop
> >here and wish you a wonderful and thoughtful night over this
unprecedented
> >position that you appear to take against the flow of the wind.
> >Thank you.
> >Akuume.
> >Kipenji.
> >==================================================================
> >
> >
> >Mitayo Potosi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >I had always taken Bro Charles Onyango-Obbo to be a dyed in the wool
> >apologist for our two tin-pot criminal dictators, Kagame and m7.
> >
> >He seems to have got fed up somewhere along the way. Wellcome aboard dear
> >friend.
> >
> >For the first time he is even mentioning the likes of Robert Mangaliso
> >Sobukwe; dirty words in the crowd of the West's darlings like N. Mandela
of
> >the new breed of African 'leaders'.
> >
> >Have you ever heard the ANC and Mandela acknoweldge the presence of
others
> >on Robben Island? Sobukwe? Never.
> >
> >In Canada, we have the case of Dr Muniini-Mulera. For over 10 years he
had
> >a mu7 fawning gang that you crossed only at your peril. They even had a
> >local weekly to drum into our thick heads the vitures of 'fundamental
> >change'.
> >
> >But below the surface it was clear the base was 'we Southerners vs they'.
> >You became a curiosity if you refused to fit. 'Hey you are from the South
> >aren't you?', was a constant.
> >
> >I don't know why Dr Muniini-Mulera changed, or even whether he really
> >changed. mu7 has not become any worse than he ever was.
> >
> >Now you hear that 'Baganda' have been indifferent to the suffering in the
> >North.
> >
> >When Hon Nuwa Amanya Mushega was still Min of Ed, he told a crowd in
> >Toronto
> >that NRM was rebuilding the country, which had been ruined by Baganda. I
> >cried out. It was fellow Baganda who said I was putting them to shame
> >for my vehment disgust. The only sympathy I got was from a lady from West
> >Nile!!
> >
> >Hopefully after 17 years fellow Ugandans have seen the real mu7. But that
> >is
> >an awfully long time. Imagine the cost. The blood of all those fellow
> >Africans. Men women and children!!
> >
> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> >Ear to The Ground By Charles Onyango-Obbo
> >
> >They're corrupt because they're poor; dictators because they're not
> >democrats
> >Oct 15, 2003
> >
> >We continue to desperately look for the answers. Why is corruption so
high,
> >especially among key politicians and cronies of the rulers in Uganda?
> >
> >And why is our country that had a "revolution" in 1986 and saw dramatic
> >improvements in life and the economy up until about 1998, sliding back
into
> >oppressive government?
> >
> >Why is the independent Uganda press under the boot again? In short, why
has
> >the attempt at democracy in Uganda failed?
> >
> >The search for insights first took me to a dear friend, who offered an
> >explanation that came to him after he finished reading an autobiography
by
> >Zubeida Jaffer (an anti-apartheid South African journalist) and an
> >encounter
> >with Elinor Sisulu. Elinor has just won the Noma award for her biography
of
> >Walter and Albertina Sisulu, her parents in-law.
> >
> >His impression is that in contrast to these people, most of the leaders
who
> >are shaping the political destiny of Uganda today are just
> >"pseudo-revolutionaries".
> >
> >Or better still, "fakes". He writes that; "the high ideals, deep
morality,
> >humility and simplicity that defines these amazing people who paid such a
> >high price for freedom, is in very sharp contrast to your President
Yoweri
> >Museveni's ways of doing things."
> >
> >My friend is a scholar of African affairs, and visited Uganda when the
> >African National Congress forces were based in Luwero during the last
years
> >of apartheid. He says he fears that;
> >
> >"In Uganda, Museveni [and elements in the military and Movement faction
> >that
> >are close to him] has personally appropriated everything good and noble
in
> >Uganda's post-colonial history.
> >
> >"Museveni has dominated political space and continues to shape and define
> >political discourse. The result is that political culture is a mirror
image
> >of himself and his faction - it is imperial, violent, and nearly
> >'decadent'".
> >
> >Corruption in Uganda has the same root causes with greedy government in
> >most
> >of Africa, where he observes: "there is an obsession with becoming
wealthy
> >and living in excessive (but tasteless) comfort, something that comes
with
> >a
> >late escape from poverty! The debates have become more and more shallow,
> >parochial, cynical (what hard-line Movementists call pragmatic) and
> >retrogressive."
> >
> >The point here being that the parents of most of Uganda's leaders (and us
> >their "subjects") and top bureaucrats were either poor, or if they were
> >rich
> >were only the first generation to live in wealth.
> >
> >This late escape from poverty inclines us to rob taxpayers. (If you think
> >of
> >it, apart from the Kulubyas, there are possibly no more than three
Ugandan
> >families that have had money consistently for two generations i.e. 70
> >years).
> >
> >Yet, while this gives us a good view of the underbelly of the corruption
> >beast, it leaves unanswered the question why democracy hasn't resulted in
> >more freedom and enlightened governance in the end.
> >
> >Instead, it is degenerating in less freedom. To this, I found an answer
> >from
> >a diplomat who told me he's struck by how Latin American countries have
> >not,
> >as has happened in several parts of Africa, slid back into dictatorship
> >even
> >in the midst of the region's economic crisis.
> >
> >He has developed his theory of "dictatorship by democracy". This, he told
> >me, is the situation where the government uses democratic forms to carry
> >out
> >anti-democratic actions. Thus the press is free in practice, but the
> >repressive media laws remain in the statute books and, more importantly,
> >the
> >government ignores what it reports.
> >
> >A government appoints a human rights commission, and passes laws that
offer
> >more liberties, but in practice it acts in violation of these same
rights.
> >When it's put to task by Human Rights Watch or Amnesty International, it
> >points to the free press, and human rights laws as evidence that the
> >accusations of it being a dictatorship are unfounded.
> >
> >Political parties might have rights under the constitution, but there
isn't
> >an enabling law allowing them to be freely active, and the Police
routinely
> >deny them permission to assemble. And, of course, the Military Police is
> >sent in to disperse their rallies.
> >
> >An anti-corruption body like the Inspectorate of Government is set up,
but
> >corruption continues and it can only investigate those who are not well
> >connected or politicians who have fallen out of favour.
> >
> >When the big people are caught stealing, they say; "how can you say we
are
> >thieves and condone corruption when we are the people who set up the
IGG?"
> >Sound familiar?
> >
> >Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >� 2003 The Monitor Publications
> >
> >Mitayo Potosi
> >
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