Mwaami Ssenyange
Be very careful with your statements which are splitting hairs, for a
critical thinker can very easily use your definition to flip it in a
question of How then did this Ssabasajja become a King? And you will end up
with a can of worms you did not expect.
So again what makes one a distant or a close Royal in Buganda culture?
Em
Toronto
The Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
Groupe de communication Mulindwas
"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
----- Original Message -----
From: "ssenya nyange" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: ugnet_: And now this!-Baganda royals back 3rd term\mulindwa
>
>
> Mw. Mulindwa,
>
> If you're not among "Abaana be Ngoma" by birth, then you
are
> not a close Royal and will never be a Kabaka, never. Such a royal is only
a
> royal by Clan not a Royal for succession purposes. The same applies to
Clan
> leaders. If you are not in the line ( Olunnyiriri) of the Clan leader (
> Omutaka) you and your offsprings will never become Omutaka. Your line can
> expand as much as it can up to becoming "essiga" but your "ssiga" will
> never produce "Omutaka". For the first time you've asked to know. Keep on
> that way.
>
> J. Ssenyange
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >From: "Mulindwa Edward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: Re: ugnet_: And now this!-Baganda royals back 3rd term\mulindwa
> >Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 22:18:22 -0500
> >
> >Rehema
> >
> >What makes one a distant or a close Royal in Buganda culture?
> >
> >Em
> >
> >
> > The Mulindwas Communication Group
> >"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
> > Groupe de communication Mulindwas
> >"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Rehema Mukooza
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 7:44 AM
> > Subject: Re: ugnet_: And now this!-Baganda royals back 3rd
term\mulindwa
> >
> >
> > Mulindwa Edward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Mulindwa:
> >
> > But we can not get that for even Kasangwawo refused to tell us who
> >Kulembeka
> > more from Museveni, Ssabasajja or the distant royals? NONE is
> >Kulembeka from Museveni. Museveni is the one who is Kulembeka from
> >Buganda. Ssabasajja kulembekas from Buganda and outside from donations
of
> >well-wishers (certificates). Going to Rwakitura does not mean Kulembeka
> >from Museveni. Ssabasajja went there to discuss matters of concern to
the
> >Buganda kingdom as the head of Buganda. However, if you are willing to
> >show me evidence to your claims, I might believe you then.
> >
> > Now, what kind of meeting would the "distant royals" be involved in
> >with Museveni if they are not the "official speakers/negotiators" of
> >Buganda?? Are you telling me that they talk about CULTURE with
Museveni??
> > Are you kidding me?!! The distant royals can exercise their freedoms
of
> >speech, it's only that they are not official speakers of Buganda. One
can
> >speak without being the official speaker.
> >
> > Even the "close royals" are not the official speakers of Buganda.
But
> >they too can speak if they want. They can speak without being the
official
> >speakers. However, certain ranks as the Kabaka and Katikkiro are
> >considered as official speakers. There are other official speakers who
get
> >their authority from a concesus of "authorities". ~ Rehema M.
> >
> >
> > Em
> >
> > The Mulindwas Communication Group
> > "With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
> > Groupe de communication Mulindwas
> > "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "ssenya nyange"
> > To:
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 8:07 PM
> > Subject: RE: ugnet_: And now this!-Baganda royals back 3rd
> >term\mulindwa
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Mw. Mulindwa
> > >
> > > There is alot you dont know about Buganda and Baganda culture.
> > > Rather that disguising your self, please ask, we shall inform \
> >educate
> > > you. You said:
> > >
> > > --------------------------
> > > >"it is the Kabaka and his appointed officials who speak for
Buganda
> >and
> > not
> > > >some unknown royals." Now that is very interesting if you are
> >telling us
> > > >that the appointed
> > > >officials are more powerful in the Kingdom than the Royals.
> > >
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > ----------------
> > >
> > > Mulindwa, is this new to you? Dont you know that the Bataka
> >appointed the
> > > first Kabaka Kato Kintu in a Lukiiko to govern them after helping
> >them to
> > > defeat Bemba Musota? Please get the facts: For a period of time, a
> >woman
> > of
> > > Fumbe ( forgotten her name) ruled Buganda during the time when
they
> >were
> > > searching for the rightful prince ( not any prince). The prince
has
> >to be
> > > "Omwana we Ngoma". Not every prince can be a Kabaka because not
all
> > princes
> > > are among the "Abaana be ngoma" Currently, I think these could be
> >less
> > that
> > > 10.
> > > Secondly, a prince from Abaana be Ngoma is seconded by his father
(
> > Kabaka)
> > > to suceed him. After his death, the altimate authority is rested
> >into the
> > > Katikkiro and 4 or 5 Clan leaders. This means the power lies in
the
> >Bataka
> > > whose authority comes from the 52 Clan members.
> > >
> > > So, the princes and princess of the Balangira ( royal) clan
> > do
> > > not have any say in the kingdom matters. Only the appointed chiefs
(
> > > abakungu), plus the Bataka and Abaana be Ngoma have authority in
the
> > kingdom
> > > matters. Thats why the late Ba Ssekabaka killed the immediate
> >princes (
> > > abaana be Ngoma) for fear of over throwing them. I thint thats why
> > > Kasangwawo called them "non entities"
> > >
> > > J. Ssenyange
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Mwaami
> > > >Kasangwawo there is a reason why they are called Royals and you
are
> >not.
> > > >And
> > > >it frightens if we start to classify the Royals as who is close
and
> >who
> > is
> > > >not, who is distant and who is not. For a critical thinker can
> >wonder
> > which
> > > >standards you use to decide who is a close Royal and who is a
> >distant
> > > >royal.
> > > >For example you are now using Ssabalangir a's words, is he among
> >the
> > distant
> > > >or the close?
> > > >And is Buganda Kingdom really that sectarian with in its self?
> > > >
> > > >Please enlighten me
> > > >Em
> > > >Toronto
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The Mulindwas Communication Group
> > > >"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
> > > > Groupe de communication Mulindwas
> > > >"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "jonah kasangwawo"
> > > >To:
> > > >Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 8:40 AM
> > > >Subject: RE: ugnet_: And now this!-Baganda royals back 3rd
> >term\matek
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > There he goes again. Back to his elections lies !
> > > > >
> > > > > Firstly, a look at Buganda history shows that there were
indeed
> > > >elections
> > > > > until your hero destroy ed the Buganda institution. So it's
not
> >true
> > that
> > > > > Buganda does not believe in elections.
> > > > >
> > > > > Secondly, you can't keep on criticizing the lack of elections
at
> >Mengo
> > > >while
> > > > > you at the same time oppose federalism, which foresees these
> >very
> > > >elections.
> > > > > It just doesn't add up.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thirdly, bearing in mind the fact that Mengo is still a
cultural
> > > > > institution, it is the Kabaka and his appointed officials who
> >speak
> > for
> > > > > Buganda and not some unknown royals. You might spend sleepless
> >nights
> > > > > moaning about this, but that is a fact.
> > > > >
> > > > > It is of no consequence for you to keep on repeating what I
> >said. Take
> > > >it
> > > >or
> > > > > leave it, these distant royals don't speak for Buganda, and,
as
> >we
> > have
> > > >come
> > > > > to lear n from a royal who matters in Buganda society, they
> >don't even
> > > >speak
> > > > > for the royals. According to press reports, even the
> >Ssabalangira
> > (head
> > > >of
> > > > > the royal clan) doesn't know the people in this group. You are
> > therefore
> > > > > crazy to believe that they can have the authority to speak for
> > Buganda.
> > > > >
> > > > > This is similar to some distant relatives of the Queen forming
> >an
> > > > > association and then claiming that they speak for all English
> >people.
> > > >Worse
> > > > > still, it is like if the Mulindwa communication gang claimed
> >that they
> > > >speak
> > > > > for all Ugandans !
> > > > >
> > > > > Kasangwawo
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: "Mulindwa Edward"
> > > > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > >To:
> > > > > >Subj ect: ugnet_: And now this!-Baganda royals back 3rd
> >term\matek
> > > > > >Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 18:43:24 -0500
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Kasangwawo
> > > > > >
> > > > > >But record must as well indicate that Buganda as an entity
has
> >never
> > > >had
> > > >an
> > > > > >election, so if Buganda does not believe into an election
then
> >who
> > ever
> > > > > >comes up with any comment must be taken to represent Buganda.
> >For I
> > > >wonder
> > > > > >today what we must do, should we believe these Royals or
> >believe The
> > > > > >Katikiro who was appointed by NRM? Who exactly do we have in
> >Mengo
> > who
> > > >has
> > > > > >the authority to speak for Buganda? And who gave him or her
> >that
> > > >authority?
> > > > > >For whether you want or not, but Mengo leads a whole bunch of
> >people
> > > >and
> > > > > >those people must have a representation, and if a Royal
family
> >does
> > not
> > > > > >have
> > > > > >the authority to speak for the Kingdom and we classify that
> >family as
> > > > > >"These
> > > > > >are minor distant royals who are out to 'kulembeka' from Mu7,
> >who
> > also
> > > >uses
> > > > > >them for his own ends." That surely opens a whole can of
worms.
> > > > > >So I think that to make sense or to put a more light in this
> > discussion
> > > >you
> > > > > >should end you posting by informing the netters who actually
> >has the
> > > > > >authority to speak for Buganda as a collective. For with out
> >that and
> > > >you
> > > > > >decide to attack a Royal family as such, I think it just
shows
> >how
> > > >Buganda
> > > > > >needs a prayer, and who knows may be it will come from
> >Museveni?
> > > > > >It bothers me as well when you allege "These are minor
distant
> >royals
> > > >who
> > > > > >are out to 'kulembeka' from Mu7, who also uses them for his
own
> > ends."
> > > >Can
> > > > > >you actually tell us who Kulembeka from Museveni than
> >Ssabasajja him
> > > >self?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Get real man here, for some of us have seen him even in
> >Rwakitura its
> > > >self,
> > > > > >so do not even go there.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Em
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Mulindwas Communication Group
> > > > > >"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
> > > > > > Groupe de communication Mulindwas
> > > > > >"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
> > > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > > >From: "jonah kasangwawo"
> > > > > >To:
> > > > > >Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 10:08 AM
> > > > > >Subject: Re: ugnet_: And now this!-Baganda royals back 3rd
> >term\matek
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mw. Ssenyange,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > thank you for injecting some sense and insight into this
> >exchange
> > > >which
> > > > > >was
> > > > > > > degenerating into the usual garbage from the usual
quarters.
> >I
> > wish
> > > > > >people
> > > > > > > would ask before commenting on something they apparently
> >have no
> > > >idea
> > > > > >about
> > > > > > > !
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Anyone who knows Buganda would know that there is no
Buganda
> >royal
> > > >of
> > > > > >any
> > > > > > > substance in this group. These are minor distant royals
who
> >are
> > out
> > > >to
> > > > > > > 'kulembeka' from Mu7, who also uses them for his own ends.
> >That's
> > > >the
> > > > > >crux
> > > > > > > of the matter. All this empty talk about this having
> >anything to
> > do
> > > >with
> > > > > > > federalism is utter rubbish.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > EMBIRO ? Nga tuzizaawa ?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Kasangwawo
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >From: "ssenya nyange"
> > > > > > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > >Subject: Re: ugnet_: And now this!-Baganda royals back
3rd
> > > >term\matek
> > > > > > > >Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 18:56:08 -0500
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Mr. Matek,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You are the one who is myopic, not Bagand a. The
> > > >royal
> > > > > >Clan
> > > > > > > >is one of the 52 clans of Buganda and I think its
> >population
> > could
> > > >be
> > > > > > > >between 200,000 to 800,000. Read the article properly.
> >Those in
> > the
> > > > > > > >nespapers associated together to form and register their
> > > >organization
> > > > > >with
> > > > > > > >less than 500 members. Why did they form that
organization?
> >You
> > > >dont
> > > > > >know
> > > > > > > >but the reporter gave you a clue. Princess Ndagire with
> >backings
> > > >from
> > > > > >Mu7,
> > > > > > > >Salim Saleh, Kakooza Mutale and Prince Kamanya tried to
> >topple
> > > >Kabaka
> > > > > > > >Mutebi and disturbilize the Kingdom with the sole aim of
> >making
> > it
> > > > > > > >politically toothless, and eventually wiping it ou t.
They
> > > >misculculated
> > > > > >and
> > > > > > > >Baganda behind the Kabaka and Mengo marched to the then
> >cuptured
> > > >Kasubi
> > > > > > > >Tombs without fear of the armed Saleh, Mutale & co, and
> > eventually
> > > > > >took
> > > > > > > >over the Tombs. Their step #1 failed misarably. Within a
> >month,
> > the
> > > >the
> > > > > > > >over powered armed Ndagire was enlisted in the
president's
> >office
> > > >and
> > > > > >later
> > > > > > > >given the post of special adviser. She is still an
> >"adviser" to
> > > >Mu7.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Any logical sane person cannot construe from the
> > > >above
> > > > > > > >history and current situation that Kabaka Mutebi, Mengo,
> >Buganda
> > > >Royals
> > > > > >(
> > > > > > > >majo rity) and Baganda are part and parcel of this group!
> >The
> > > >tactics
> > > > > >mu7
> > > > > >is
> > > > > > > >using in the north, are basically the same in the west (
> > Kigezi ),
> > > >East
> > > > > >and
> > > > > > > >Buganda. He has been telling his philosophy to Ugandans
but
> >they
> > > >dont
> > > > > >get
> > > > > > > >it. He always tells of "ensenene" ( grasshoppers) being
put
> >in a
> > > >tin
> > > >by
> > > > > >Man
> > > > > > > >( mu7). one type of grasshopper ( kulunkalu) bites off
> >another
> > type
> > > >(
> > > > > > > >kulumbisi) and another type ( mulangira) etc. without
> >realising
> > > >that
> > > > > >their
> > > > > > > >enemy is man (mu7) who put them in a tin is hiding
somewhre
> > waiting
> > > >for
> > > > > >his
> > > > > > &g t; >turn to bite. I think this reminder will put this
> >nosense to its
> > > > > >ending.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >James Ssenyange
> > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > >>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > >>Subject: Re: ugnet_: And now this!-Baganda royals back
3rd
> >term
> > > > > > > >>Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 15:55:24 EST
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>In a message dated 12/7/2003 3:39:12 PM Eastern Standard
> >Time,
> > > > > > > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > I start by lookin g what we have on the ground
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > 1) We are sleeping today
> > > > > > > >> > 2) We have the kingdom
> > > > > > > >> > 3) We hold the Vice presidency post
> > > > > > > >> > 4) When Museveni gives us Federalism Ssabasajja will
> >lead
> > > >Uganda
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > What is wrong with supporting a third term?
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > Em
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>EM:
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> A wise politician once told me that in politics you
must
> >make
> > > >your
> > > > > >move
> > > > > > > >>very
> > > > > > > >>caref ully. You must make your move bearing in mind the
> > > >implications
> > > >of
> > > > > > > >>such
> > > > > > > >>moves three, four, ten years from now on you.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>Let us face it... Buganda is part and parcel of Uganda
> >whether
> > one
> > > > > >likes
> > > > > > > >>it
> > > > > > > >>or not. Now ask yourself as to whether the move by the
so
> >called
> > > > > >Buganda
> > > > > > > >>royals
> > > > > > > >>will essentially play out well for Buganda Royal with
it's
> > > > > >relationship
> > > > > > > >>with
> > > > > > > >>other Ugandan Tribes five years from now after Museveni
is
> >gone?
> > > >...
> > > > > >You
> > > > > > > >>immediately begin to see the political Mypic of the
> >Buganda.
> > They
> > > >are
> > > > > > > >>pretty much
> > > > > > > >>digging the political grave, so to say, of the so called
> >Buganda
> > > > > >Royals
> > > > > >!
> > > > > > > >>..
> > > > > > > >>especially as it pertains to the Relationship between
the
> > Buganda
> > > > > >royals
> > > > > > > >>and
> > > > > > > >>other tribes of Uganda. I SEE EMBIRO!!!
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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