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>From: "Edward Mulindwa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [Ugandacom] RE: ugnet_: Luwero Killings: Acholis to Say Sorry to Buganda >Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 03:46:22 -0500 > >Kironde > >When is Museveni who even at a certain point was a minister of defense going to apologize to Baganda? > >Em > > > The Mulindwas Communication Group >"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" > Groupe de communication Mulindwas >"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ed Kironde > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 12:16 AM > Subject: [Ugandacom] RE: ugnet_: Luwero Killings: Acholis to Say Sorry to Buganda > > > Mulindwa > > a.. You are the one who is putting superlatives to the said apology ranking it as �most important�. > b.. Apologizing or not apologizing is not the issue. Those guys murdering Baganda babies, women and men in Luwero, to them is no crime and they did not see it as a crime then and they cannot see it as crime today and as one Acholi reader put it; �There is no Acholi leader who is stupid enough to apologize for a crime Acholi did not commit leave alone its magnitude.� The defense would be that these Baganda men, women were collaborating with rebels and the babies were the collateral damages; and the Acholis in the UNLA had a duty to defend their government and they were fighting insurgents � adui. Depopulation, intimidation and bankrupting Buganda subjects since they would always find �adui� in your pocket was a policy of the government and there was no crime committed and no need to apologize unless one is stupid Acholi. > c.. If civilians are caught in the fire in Acholiland, well, it is a crime because the lives of Acholis are more important. The LRA and Joseph Kony are no insurgents but fighting for a better Acholi and if Langis join arrow groups, they will be slaughtered like rats as warning of things to come. The so-called rebels are our kids and we have had a raw deal for a long time, Kony is the Messiah and anyone talking bad about our prophet is a murderer, Museveni�s agent, tribalist, bigot, you name it! > > > a.. -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edward Mulindwa > Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 6:04 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: ugnet_: Luwero Killings: Acholis to Say Sorry to Buganda > > > When you see a group of people calling them selves coming from Acholi today, and in the state Acholi land is in today, if any body and an Acholi figures that the most important thing today is to apologies to Baganda for Luwero atrocities. That tell you how this discussion is very silly. > > > > But you know it is the kind of Ugandans who are non-critical thinkers that feed on such, not me. For I am still waiting for a Ugandan who will ask the NRM government for a public enquirely in the Luwero atrocities. But as Buganda continues to blow and suck the same time, we yes will continue to have such nonsense continuing. Kiiza Besigye although voted against returning Buganda Kingdom while in the bush, he had to say "I will be a friend of Buganda" now the Acholi's again to Buganda. > > > > May be just may be Buganda is the problem, may be we as Ugandans must start to treat it as such? > > > > Em > > > > The Mulindwas Communication Group > "With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" > Groupe de communication Mulindwas > "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Anyomokolo > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 7:34 PM > > Subject: Re: ugnet_: Luwero Killings: Acholis to Say Sorry to Buganda > > > > I am surprised that by now some of you have not figured out what Museveni is trying to do here. > > I don't know where this meeting is going to take place but I bet you, this acholi chief and religious leaders names are: > > James Ojok Okelo > > Patrick Ocen Okelo > > Micheal Okumu Okelo > > William Okelo > > As usual they are always OKELO's > > There is no acholi leader who is stupid enough to aplogise for a crime acholi did not commit; leave alone its magnitute. Right now the Museveni media has focussed on spreading false rumors that the Lango are killing acholis for revenge. The langi leaders denies this but Museveni insistt. What a perfect time to get the Bagandans in the act. And then in about 2 weeks we shall hear of acholi massacre as it happened in Rwanda in 1994. > > I wish my acholi people can really find their way out the camps before it is too late. Museveni has kept them in the camps for too long. He is not going to stand by and watch his dreams wash away. After 18 years of hard work and completely paralyzing the acholis? > > I wonder what the flip God is doing. A very useless God whose only concern seems to be what women do with their vagina. > > > > Omar Kezimbira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > Regional - EastAfrican - Nairobi - Kenya > Monday, March 1, 2004 > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Luwero Killings: Acholis to > Say Sorry to Buganda > By A.MUTUMBA-LULE > THE EASTAFRICAN > > A DELEGATION of cultural and religious leaders from the Acholi sub-region is expected to make a public apology to Buganda this week for the atrocities committed against non-combatants by the predominantly Acholi Uganda National Liberation Army, UNLA, during the five-year bush war that brought President Yoweri Museveni to power. > > In a development that could be significant for north-south relations in Uganda, the elders and religious leaders from Teso, Gulu and Lira will accept responsibility for the indiscriminate killings that sometimes saw whole families perish, as government forces sought out supporters of the National Resistance Army insurgency led by Yoweri Museveni (who at the time was a rebel leader) between 1981 and 1985. Janaan Kasango, one of the people behind the reconciliatory meetings, said last week that cultural leaders like the Emorimor of Teso, Osburn Kadugala, the tribal chief of Acholi, the Rwot and representatives from Buganda have agreed to attend the meetings. > > "This will be the first of its kind, but we expect more reconciliatory meetings to take place," Kasango told The EastAfrican last week. > > In the Luwero Triangle, bitter memories of the war still linger and President Yoweri Museveni's campaign team capitalised on such memories to campaign against the opposition in 1986. > > Sources in the Mission for National Reconciliation, the people behind the reconciliatory meeting, said they had so far met different people in the central government, the army, Buganda Kingdom, local chiefs in Teso, Kitgum and Gulu. > > Ms Ruth Nankabirwa, Minister of State in charge of Defence, told The EastAfrican that she was not aware of the arrangements. However, she added that if they were to take place, they could only be good for the country. > > Mike Mukula, Minister of State for Health, also welcomed the idea, saying it should be encouraged. > > The deputy Prime Minister of Buganda, Kaya Kavuma, said he had not been informed about the developments. However, other officials at Bulange, the seat of Buganda Kingdom, said they are aware of the reconciliatory meeting and would participate. > > "Reconciliation is good, we cannot keep on hiding these facts," said one official. > > Dates have been set tentatively for March 4 to 7, 2004. Activities to be carried out include visiting sites were there are mass graves of people killed during the 1980-85 war, visiting collapsing buildings destroyed by the war and a rally in Luwero town, some 80kms north of Kampala. > > The peace tour, which is likely to be reciprocated by elders in Buganda by visiting some areas in the north and east, has been greeted with excitement as it will bring the two groups together and hopefully erase the bitter memories of the past. > > Museveni used the Luwero Triangle as his base to fight President Milton Obote's government. The area paid dearly for this as government troops killed civilians indiscriminately, taking them to be either rebels or rebel sympathisers. > > A document seen by The EastAfrican last week says that towards the end of last year, as insecurity spread to Teso, it became evident to a number of people in Luwero that there were still deep roots of bitterness towards the north and north east because of the people killed in the civil war of Luwero during the early 1980s. > > "This emerged when an initiative started in the fellowship at New Hope Uganda in Luwero led by Mr. Jay Dangers, to send teams of people to Soroti to help the internally displaced people, generated a lot opposition from members," says a statement headed as Reconciliation Initiative involving Luwero, Teso, Lango and Acholi. > > It will be good for the country especially as there are feelings that the war in northern Uganda by the Lords Resistance Army (LRA) came up mainly as a result of a revenge campaign carried out on the people of northern Uganda in 1986, by the victorious NRA soldiers. > > The northern conflict started in 1986 when former soldiers of the Uganda National Liberation Army (UNLA) regrouped themselves and started a guerilla movement called the Uganda People's Democratic Army (UPDA) against the NRM/A government for alleged excesses committed when they captured northern Uganda. > > Several rebel groups emerged during the same period and following the 1988 Pece accord between a UPDA faction and the government, the LRA eventually became the main armed opposition group in the region up to now. > > Up to now skulls, part of the more than 100,000 people killed in the five-year rebellion, still liter the whole area in Luwero though some have been buried. > > Destroyed houses in the triangle have writings on them, suspected to have been written by Uganda National Liberation Army (UNLA) soldiers during the war with the rebels. > > Some read as follows, remember the Karuma Boys, a good Muganda is a dead one, we shall not leave Buganda and Baganda are traitors, among others. > > "We have arranged that the delegation from the Acholi sub-region to go to some of these places with such writings and they remove them," said a source behind the get together. > > Comments\Views about this article > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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Now twenty-six or so days before the first of April even �ningo-wang� and nipping my body all over to ascertain that I am not dreaming hurts.
One thing is for sure, though: today is not the first of April, yet!
One more thing is extra difficult today. That is, the difficulty in coming to the clear with the Religious Leaders motives. Perhaps it is meaning that those motives remain opaque to atheists like us. But intuition, I have. Mine one tells me something is very wrong. Whoever is advising them is doing his job fine!! He has successfully succeeded in trading on desperado and impulsivity.
Uganda is fantastic. This one is world record�Pure Gold!!
Are they apologizing in place of the UPC regime, the then military officers / commanders, the then Ugandan national army or the ordinary soldiers?
But then, I am but an atheist layman who is oblivious to the motives of religious leaders. So let me wait while situations become permeable.
In Uganda anything is possible and it is only in Acoli, you can do anything and get away with it!
Muwanga and co must be twisting in their graves.
Bull!!
Noc'l gaumoy
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