Mulindwa,
I have prooved the population of Luweero triangle in another email today.Read it and cure your ignorance ( its a disease). Luweero Triangle IS NOT EQUAL TO Luweero district.
- Mulindwa, you asked: ----------------------------- If you state that
--------------------------------------------Canada is united due to federalism, can you kindly explain why Natives are in Canada, a developed nation, yet live worse than a Ugandan in Uganda
Mulindwa, thats a lie, 100% lie. The natives of Canada are not prosperous as the English& French Canadian etc because they dont want to work. Whereas Mulindwa is entitled to a monthly social allowance of $520 p.m, the native get a minimum of $1,800. Natives dont see the purpose of working for a salary of 1,000 p.m when he can sit home and watch TV, boose and gamble. The danger is that they are too much previledged to work and thats why they end up in a mess. So, dont compare the Toronto "street" natives to Ugandans in Uganda. In Canada, no one will die of cold and hunger. Every city and town has a place to sleep and eat dinner and breakfast plus sleep.
I also was in Buganda until I run away in 1983.I remember early 1982 when I went to Mubende town to bury a relative. We were in a truck with the cusket ( to save us). From Mityana town to Mubende town, I did not notice any civilian home being occupied by live people. All homes were abandoned and others were being inhabited by UPC army. The empty ones were ripped off the mabaati, doors and window flames ( emyango). Road blocks were 3 miles apart. You think I could not differentiate the nkwanga and Kayiira groups?
Evidence about Oyite Ojok. Kasangwawo has already elaborated on this. There were only 2 people who could stop the massacre in Uganda between 1980 and 1986- Obote and Oyite Ojok. Thats why they are both accountable for the mass killings in Luweero triangle. Oyite had power to tell Obote and the UPC army to stop the killing. Obote had the power as commander in chief to stop anybody from killing innocent citizen in Luweero. What did they do? they saw it as an oportunity to REDRESS THE SENTIMENTS AGAINS BAGANDA.
I had seen Oyite Ojok in 1979 three times before Lule was deposed. I attended the massive rally at Kampala city square when Lule was deposed. I personnaly saw Oyite Ojok in a landrover coming towards the platform which was being used by prominent people\speekers. I saw bullets coming out of Ojok's car shooting the people at the platform. We run and took cover. I ended up at Mini price, waiting to see whats next. I saw the gentlemen who were shot at being lifted by relatives and friends, taken to Nakivubo road where they got transport to hospital. In particular, I identified the father of my former classmate- the late Paulo Kavuma, a former katikkiro of Buganda.His legs were reduced to tendons with bullets. Is that your hero, Oyite Ojok? Now I know whom you call your Hero and why.
So, if UPC do not want reconciliation- apology- you should shut up otherwise we shalll never forget and forgive.
J. Ssenyange
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From: "Edward Mulindwa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: ugnet_: Oyite-Ojok's_family_secrets_buried_here\Kipenji Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 21:29:20 -0400
Mwaami Ssenyange
This is usually the time I fall out of such non productive debate on Uganda
issues, but you see I have a problem with your sweeping statements for you
know what? In the end they will be accepted that we all believe in them. You
stated that 500,000 Baganda were murdered in Luwero District, during Obote
two, well we now know that the population of Luwero was 600,000 people, and
mark these words, population not Baganda. I am not going to sit here and
fight with numbers for they are public only if you took the time to check
the public records. Ssenyange you are an intelligent man and you full well
know the power of information you make public in these forums.
Can you kindly clarify to us that the population of Luwero was decimated to
a mere 100 000? And Ssenyange I am not going to be here and fight the
semantics of who killed, but all I want to know is very simple, were 500 000
Baganda murdered during Obote two or it was a number you picked up from the
space to destroy Obote and UPC government?
Secondly. I have seen a great support from you to the fact that UNLA
murdered Baganda during that time. And I am not here to deny it but I need
to make one observation. That we as people who were physically in Buganda at
the time, saw groups of militias popping up, for example the most murderous
group was by a force made of Baganda and led by a Muganda Nkwanga, the group
was called FEDEMU, these are people who were murdering people left and
center in Mukono District, for I was in Kayunga at a time. another group was
UFM led by Kayiira, and I am just wondering whether you knew any of this? Or
it does not matter when we are killed by our fellow Baganda?
Third. Ssenyange it is very erroneous for you to use Canada as a good
example of how federalism works. For a very long time I have stated here and
in Uganda Press that what we need in Uganda is good leadership and a
population which is not ignorant. And my question is this. If you state that
Canada is united due to federalism, can you kindly explain why Natives are
in Canada, a developed nation, yet live worse than a Ugandan in Uganda? For
truly if leadership is not an issue in Uganda, and if federalism can sort
out our problem/s then one must wonder why Federalism has failed to help the
natives !! You brought in the Canadian issue well may be we also know a
little about it?
Mwaami Ssenyange it is imperative that you put sense into this discussion,
and if you make a mistake a I am sorry can be as fundamental as what you
post in a year. And all I am saying is very simple, that Canada is as is for
Canadians refused to be driven by childish silly politics, Canadians still
believe that all people have a right to life, on that we still believe that
if a Canadian falters he must be charged in a court of law. How can you
refer to Canadian system when you praised a death of a Uganda by the name of
Oyite Ojok? Even my self a man who opposes Museveni even in my sleep, I can
not ask for his death, I want him arrested and tried. And that is what we do
as Canadians. How can you quote the Canadian system when you pull numbers
out of the air? 500 000 were murdered.
Mwaami Ssenyange some of us decided to renounce our nationality for we saw
no light in the pipe. For we saw Uganda population preferring to live under
ignorance, a population you can post to that the majority of Ugandans were
happy at the death of Oyite, and you have no reason to back up your
statement. A population you can lie too that 500 000 were murdered by UPC 2
government, and you are not required to prove so. Muteesa was poisoned by a
girl sent by Obote, yes we all know the man was a drunkard and died of
Scotch. Kasangwawo today has posted a comment about the death of Oyite and
he used a mere statement which he could not back up. Our population if you
look carefully, postings with verifiable numbers are not answered to. For
you have refused to answer to Fugee's posting about the population in Luwero
for you know that it was true and you lied.
So my appeal to you is very simple, do not use Canada system to confuse our people. For when my mother hears that federalism is great in Canada, she goes ballistic, but you have told her half of the story.
Em And yes in Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
----- Original Message ----- From: "ssenya nyange" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 8:14 PM Subject: ugnet_: Re_: Oyite-Ojok's_family_secrets_buried_here\Kipenji
>
> Mw. Kipenj
>
> Your logic on Canada vs. Uganda is not correct. Its vise versa.
> Canada is united and developed because of its popular motto " Unity in
> diversity". They recognize the diversities based on ethnic origin,
religion,
> nationalities ( or tribes like the Inuits), race, citizenship etc. A prime
> minister will never be voted out just because he spoke French or Inuitkut.
> The most critics of Prof. Lule hated him because after speaking to
Ugandans
> in English at the swearing in ceremony, he spoke in Luganda. That became a
> "capital" offense to many Ganda haters. What if he spoke Luganda in your
> home area? I think he would not have come back to Kampala. UNLESS SUCH
> HATRATE BASED ON ETHINIC ORIGIN IS STOPPED AND UNLESS UGANDANS USE THE
> DIVERSITY TO FORGE UNITY, UGANDA WILL BE AS YOUVE DESCRIBED IT FOR EVER.
One
> of the best vehicles of this unity in diversity is FEDERALISM WHERE
REGIONAL
> GOVTS SHARE POWER WITH THE CENTRAL GOVT ( NOT CENTRAL GOVT DELIGATING
POWER
> TO DISTRICTS).
>
> Mw. Kipenji, I'm surprised that you who have travelled out of Uganda and
> resided in developed world cannot appreciate the unity in diversity! Then
> what will the ordinally Ganda and Achili in Uganda rural areas do? Kill
each
> other just because they dont belong to "them". Remember the recent Acholis
> in Lira who were butchered because of the different ethnic origin. A
french
> canadian will always identify him self as French Canadian or Quebecour.
> English Canadian will always Identify him\her self as English Canadian. A
> native will always identify himself as Inuit, etc. These identities are
ven
> being asked in govt job applications, hospitals, census, etc. Please
update
> your self.
>
> J. Ssenya
>
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