Go ahead with your truth till Kingdom come.
Wish you all the luck in your quest.
Kipenji.
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emmanuel musaazi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
emmanuel musaazi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Kipenji, why do you think that your decietful verbiage will make a
difference in a trillion years versus what i have to say..Kipenji you are
only succeeding to delude yourself and a few of your kind with your twisted
version of the truth. As for me i don't need liars like you to advise me
whether it is prudent to tell the truth or not, neither do you i need
"intellectuals" of your type to tell me what i should think. My opionions
are based on facts not on rhetoric or intellectual opionions...you are
talking about a trillion years well for your information, facts last FOREVER
AND EVER WAY BEYOND A MERE TRILLION YEARS, Kipenji.
>From: Owor Kipenji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: ugnet_: GENERAL "KONY"
>Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 03:07:44 +0100 (BST)
>
>Bwana Musaazi,your quips turns you into a quidnunc and that is
>my problem with you.
>When will you ever accept that at times you suffer serious deficiencies
>in the intellectual disposition required to critique issues that affect
>what
>you have called many Ugandans,the likes of you know?
>Blind hatred that you keep throwing your tantrums over will actually
>immortalize the person you want to demonize.
>All the actors in the Luwero theatre have already at variuos fora praised
>themselves for their deeds and misdeeds there and I find it perturbing
>that,that appears to be the only focus that forms the basis of your
>discourse on this fora.
>It is better if you cannot discern the differences between what is in your
>power to change and that which you cannot change even when given a trillion
>years so to do,to keep your tunnel based analysis to yourself and
>ofcourse with those "many" Ugandans who are holed up in that black hole of
>collective ignorance.
>Akuume.
>Kipenji.
>_____________________________________________________________________________________________________________-
>
>emmanuel musaazi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>...i here you....you don't believe Kony/LRA exist, just as you don't
>believe
>Obote UPC were responsible for the massacre of hundreds of thousands of
>people in Luwero in the 80's....just as don't believe Obote UPC have ever
>done anything wrong.....i here you Mr. Kipenji.
>
>
> >From: Owor Kipenji
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: ugnet_: GENERAL "KONY"
> >Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 22:47:21 +0100 (BST)
> >
> >Musaazi,your posting below to me is representative of some forms of
> >intellectual sclerosis that has visited you lately.
> >Do you from your impoverished analysis of the news item read what you
> >are stating??
> >Do not engage in such myopic inuendoes with whatever is happening in
> >Northern Uganda.
> >My personal take on the macabre situation in Northern Uganda has always
> >been the same and eminent scholars not in your league who
> >occupy the ivory towers in Uganda and elsewhere will attest to that?
> >So these obtuse reminisces from some amourotic intelllectually
> >impoversished analyst like you will not do.
> >Truth can only be hidden for as long as it takes before it bursts the
>seams
> >of the container.
> >Just for your own information any way,since Federo for those who want is
>on
> >the table and almost going to Buganda,how do you relish that??
> >Kipenji.
> >____________________________________________________________________________________________
> >
> >emmanuel musaazi wrote:
> >Netters, if you recall some months back when Kony/LRA were having a field
> >day killing civillians in Acholi, Lango and Teso (apparently they seemed
>to
> >have the upper hand), their cheer leaders on this forum were glutting the
> >network with postings of the progress of the on-slaught. They were in
> >celebratory mood. These LRA/Kony supporters were even rationalizing what
> >Kony/LRA was doing, at the time they had no doubt whatsoever that
>Kony/LRA
> >existed. NOW THE TABLES ARE TURNED AND KONY/LRA ARE ON THE BRINK OF
>DEFEAT
> >AND SUDDENLY, NOW THEY ARE SINGING A NEW SONG. THEIR NEW SONG IS "OH
> >KONY/LRA DON'T EXIST, IT'S JUST THE GOVERNMENT PLAYING GAMES". THESE
>PEOPLE
> >ARE JUST LIARS AND CON ARTISTS THEY HAVE NOTHING CONSTRUCTIVE OR
>PRODUCTIVE
> >TO CONTRIBUTE TO UGANDA. THEY ARE POLITICAL CHAMELEONS, CHANGING WITH THE
> >ENVIRONMENT. What amaizes me though is their belief that they can say one
> >thing today and another tomorrow and expect no one to pick it
>up.....either
> >they are very forgetfull, stupid or disrespectful to the membership of
>this
> >internet group or all the above...
> >
> > >From: Owor Kipenji
> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Subject: Re: ugnet_: GENERAL "KONY"
> > >Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 20:16:30 +0100 (BST)
> > >
> > >They say,every closed system left to itself,collapses under its' own
> > >weight.
> > >The conspiracy that appears to have existed between UPDF and this
> > >Kony animal appears to have plateaued out and now they are busy
> > >reporting to us how much they are in constant touch with each other
> > >and yet whenence the UPDF feels some areas need to be depolulated
> > >they get in and do their jobs and start crying out as Kony has attacked
> > >and ransacked the area.
> > >18 years of fundamental changes in Uganda looks laughable if what
> > >Maj Shaban Bantariza says is to be believed and yet Kony is relaxing
> > >somewhere and being bankrolled by may be State house.
> > >The symbiotic relationship that exists between these two supposed foes
>is
> > >the reason why the insurgency can only end when Mu7 is not in the
> > >picture.Not because Kony represents opposition to Mu7 but rather
>because
> >no
> > >one will continue to bankroll him when Mu7 is out of the picture.
> > >Kipenji.
> > >____________________________________________________________________--
> > >Simon Nume wrote:
> > >Mr Kipenji
> > >
> > >Maybe an example to trivalise the recent army promotions by showing
>that
> > >'Kony' has also promoted his 'terrorists' ( therefore we are safer with
> >the
> > >UPDF promotions).
> > >
> > >It is ALWAYS the UPDF spokeman who announces 'Kony' intentions, actions
> > >etc.
> > >
> > >BTW on 5 May 04 the New Vision reported that 'Otti' had called its
> >offices.
> > >At the same time Kayanja agreed that he is "in constant contact with
> >Otti".
> > >So if they have the technology to intercept radio calls, why can't they
> > >pinpoint where 'Otti' is, from his mobile (by simply asking the mobile
> > >provider) and arrest him ?
> > >
> > >Nume
> > >
> > >Owor Kipenji wrote:
> > >Could there be some relations to the promotions in the UPDF
> > >which from the looks of it is like a list of who is from which part of
> > >Ankole,that is being downplayed by stating Kony's promotions?
> > >Why would the UPDF spokesperson be the one to announce this?
> > >Is UPDF by inference in cohorts with Kony to promote their hidden
> > >agenda?
> > >I find this piece very disturbing to say the least.
> > >Kipenji
> > >
> > >Simon Nume wrote:
> > >Netters
> > >
> > >1. It was reported late last month that "Vincent Otti" had been injured
> >in
> > >Uganda and he had crossed back to Sudan to be treated . At that time
> >"Kony"
> > >was already in Sudan.
> > >
> > >2. These 2 radio communications 'interecepted' by UPDF were therefore
> > >between 2 people in the Sudan. HOW does UPDF manage that ? Can't "Kony"
> > >afford a mobile phone which cannot be 'intercepted' ?
> > >
> > >3. If Kamuduli was not killed earlier, WHO had announced him dead ? and
> > >WHO was the dead man ?
> > >
> > >4. Watch out for an attack in Lira in Sept/October this year.
> > >
> > >
> > >This whole thing is painfully obvious. .......
> > >
> > >
> > >Nume
> > >
> > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >Kony promotes himself to General
> > >By Andrew M. Mwenda & Alex B. Atuhaire
> > >June 4, 2004
> > >
> > >KAMPALA - The leader of the rebel Lord’s Resistance Army (LRA),
>Joseph
> > >Kony (right), has promoted himself to the rank of General. In a
> > >communication issued on June 1, 2004, Kony also promoted his deputy
> >Vincent
> > >Otti to the rank of Lieutenant General.
> > >
> > >According to highly placed sources in the Uganda Peoples Defence Forces
> > >(UPDF), Kony announced the promotions in a radio message. Military
> > >intelligence intercepted the message.
> > >
> > >UPDF spokesman, Maj. Shaban Bantariza said the army is not bothered by
> >the
> > >LRA promotions. “We don’t care whether he promotes himself to
> >general.
> > >It makes him a general terrorist,” Bantariza told The Monitor by
> > >telephone. “We are not bothered; he can even go ahead and make
>himself
> > >Field Marshal,” Bantariza said.
> > >
> > >According to security sources, LRA commanders Kamuduli (whose alleged
> >dead
> > >body was pictured in the press) and Ceaser Acellam (LRA’s chief of
> > >military intelligence) who had earlier been announced dead are actually
> > >alive. The latter is reportedly ill in a sickbay.
> > >
> > >Security sources further told The Monitor that Kony also promoted one
>of
> > >his commanders, Lakati to Brigadier. The LRA leader has also called all
> >his
> > >commanders back to the Sudan.
> > >
> > >Security sources say that in a radio communication, Kony instructed
>Otti
> >to
> > >organise a celebration party for the promoted officers. Kony further
>told
> > >Otti that in spite of many difficulties, LRA would march to Lira town
>to
> > >loot goods for the party and that the celebrations should coincide with
> > >Independence Day anniversary celebrations.
> > >
> > >Ugandan security sources, who have listened to the intercepted LRA
>radio
> > >communication, say that Kony’s self-promotion and of his rebel
>officers
> > >is a response to recent promotions within the UPDF . In one of the
> > >intercepted messages, Kony claims that Uganda’s Army Commander, newly
> > >promoted Lt. Gen. Aronda Nyakairima, failed to dislodge the LRA during
> > >Operation Iron Fist.
> > >
> > >Security sources further say that Kony reasoned that how could Aronda,
> >whom
> > >he (Kony) defeated in southern Sudan during Operation Iron Fist in 2002
> > >become a Lieutenant General while the LRA commander himself remains at
> >the
> > >rank of Major General.
> > >
> > >In another development, the LRA leadership has announced it is ready
>for
> > >peace talks; if government accepts its terms. Highly placed sources
>told
> > >The Monitor that in another intercepted radio message between Kony and
> > >Otti, the rebel army now has a contact through whom they want to
> >negotiate
> > >with government.
> > >
> > >According to the source, privy to the radio intercept, Otti reported to
> > >Kony how he met a government peace emissary (names and code names
> >withheld
> > >for security reasons).
> > >
> > >Army spokesman, Maj. Shaban Bantariza said the LRA could go ahea d with
> >the
> > >peace talks. He warned however, that preconditions would not be
>accepted.
> > >“No preconditions are permissible, especially those which make the
> > >population vulnerable to Kony’s terrorist attacks,” he said on
>phone,
> > >last evening.
> > >
> > >The source recounted that Otti told Kony that the peace emissary was
>very
> > >scared, but was handled well by the LRA commander. He added that Otti
> >told
> > >Kony that he (Otti) had held a meeting with other LRA commanders -
> >Lukwiya
> > >and Kwoyelo - and discussed the peace proposal.
> > >
> > >Otti further told Kony that he wrote a letter to government through the
> > >emissary, giving two conditions for peace talks: that the UPDF
>withdraws
> > >from southern Sudan and Northern Uganda. The second conditionality was
> >that
> > >UPDF soldiers lay down their weapons before the LRA does so.
> > >
> > >Bantariza however said this was unacceptable. “For us, we shall
> >implement
> > >what the Commander in Chief tells us. We don’t envisage him
>instructing
> > >us to withdraw from sout hern Sudan or to lay down out tools. Such a
> >thing
> > >has never happened and we shall not be the first ones to do it,” he
> >said.
> > >
> > >The source said that Kony was happy with Otti’s report on the
> >intercepted
> > >radio communication but was skeptical about the peace emissary whom he
> > >seemed not to trust.
> > >
> > >The source said however, that Otti told Kony that the peace emissary is
> > >well known to him (Otti) because he (the emissary) was born in Atyak
>and
> > >that both have been in contact for a long time.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >© 2004 The Monitor Publications
> > >
> >
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