[Ugnet] Re: [Mwananchi] Re: Where is Miss Pat on Who is the new oppressor in post Independence?

Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:47:41 -0800

Msjoe and netters:
Africans at home and in the Diaspora  know of  the CIA's  support of Dictator Mobutu Ssese Seko.kuku Wazabanga.....a support without which the total  and complete subjugation of the Congolese people  would have been impossible.  The statistics presented by  nyatsimba below , is but a known fact to many of us Africans. ..of course  Washington now dismisses it's support of Mobutu with a waive of the hand , while arguing that the support was neccessary because Washington  was engaged in a "cold war"  rivary between n the "west" and the communist  "east" ..and that Mobutu was an allie in the cold war. Mention is not made of the fact that man many Africans died under Mobutu reign of terror. It is suprising that no congolese has directly held the US accountable  for the suffering of Congolese citizens under Mobutu. One would think that some smart Congolese could have should have taken the US governemnt to th e courts..if I may say so!!
Peace!!
Matek

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello Ms Pat:
 
Good evening from Eastern Standard Time. I am very much interested in your inquiry, if you know the answer. To facilitate, we can exchange notes on what  happened after independence as we come by them. Can you please click the reference below Nyatsimba's email? Please, do not forget to come back on when it happened and if those Africans stood a chance to get rid of Mobutu who was ably fortified by?????
 
As I said, my request is simple - just reasonable analyses based on the known. You can add practicalities to reasonableness.
 
Thanks.
 
MsJoe
 
In a message dated 3/15/2005 5:14:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Interesting article:

"In recent years U.S. policy has stressed the need for good governance in Africa. Most Africans view this as a supreme irony given Washington’s quarter-century of active support for Africa’s most notorious and antidemocratic ruling crook, Mobutu. Between 1962 and 1991, the U.S. directly supported Mobutu (with close to $150 million in CIA bribes and secret payments) and his government (with more than $1.03 billion in development aid and $227.4 million in military assistance). It even provided transport for foreign troops used to suppress anti-Mobutu rebellions in 1977 and 1978.

The U.S. also helped funnel World Bank loans and IMF credits to Mobutu’s government, even though internal documents reveal that these agencies knew in advance the money was likely to be stolen and the loans unlikely to be repaid. Mobutu used IMF and World Bank loans to repay Zaire’s private creditors, thereby transforming private debt into public debt now amounting to almost $14 billion.

Mobutu reciprocated by providing bases and supply routes for UNITA rebels and by backing the U.S. in various arenas. For instance, as chair of the UN Security Council in the months immediately prior to the Gulf War, Zaire was crucial in rallying support for the U.S.-led military operation."

http://www.fpif.org/briefs/vol2/v2n37cz_body.html



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hello Pat:
 
Happy Spring Century.
 
There is functional independence and nominal independence. Yes, African gained nominal independence. Go to the books and read that. Pat, can you explain why colonial masters saw it necessary to be fomenting coup d'etats after post-colonial Africa? Do me a favor. I have lost my copy on Belgian's complicity in Lumumba's death. Do you have a copy?
 
Be cautioned, I am not into white man versus black man and other conspiracies. I just need facts and reasonable analyses based on the known. Who is the new oppressor? Of course we cannot let current African leaders off the hook if they fail to uplift. But I still want you to tell whether the old debauchers actually left.
 
MsJoe
 
   In a message dated 3/15/2005 2:30:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi Pat,
Indeed, the oppressor is within. Mobutu was armed by
the west, most of the time with outdated second hand
ammunition and he really oppressed his country.
Anyway, the CIA, the French, Belgian and British
cannot freely say they didn't know anything!

The oppressor is within.


--- paanderson2003 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Most African countries achieved their independence
> in the nineteen
> sixties, and yet I read on this forum that some
> still feel oppressed,
> who is the new oppressor?
> Pat.
>
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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind."
 Dr. Seuss quotes


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